We are joined by Antony Loewenstein — author of The Palestine Laboratory: How Israel Exports the Technology of Occupation Around the World — to discuss his extensive reporting on the Israeli occupation of Palestine, the policing tactics and surveillance technologies that are tested on Palestinians before sold as part of lucrative global export industry, and how the dynamics of occupation never stay within their cordoned zones but always expand to capture increasingly more people and places.

••• Antony’s book: https://www.versobooks.com/en-gb/products/2684-the-palestine-laboratory

••• Antony’s twitter: https://twitter.com/antloewenstein

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