On this week's podcast, Bob talks with Becky Leinweber, the Executive Director of the Pikes Peak Outdoor Recreation Alliance. They discuss how public land managers are dealing with greatly increased visitor and usage numbers, and how other agencies, such as visitors bureaus, are helping visitors prepare for busier parks. Also, they mull over whether things will ever go back to "how they used to be", and how outdoor enthusiasts can better manage their own expectations and prepare for what is probably now the new normal. This podcast sponsored by the realtors at Springs Homes. (www.Springshomes.com) Pikes Peak Outdoor Recreation Alliance (https://ppora.org/) Please consider becoming a patron of this podcast! Visit: https://www.patreon.com/hikingbob for more information Hiking Bob website: HikingBob.com Wildwestendorf website: Wildwestendorf.com