Doug Sovern is away today. Former Oakland Mayor Sheng Thao pleaded not guilty today, Jan. 17, to the several federal charges she's facing. Now, it's not just the former mayor facing an indictment, three others are also headed to court. This comes just two months after Thao was recalled by voters.

To talk more about it, KCBS Radio news anchors Patti Reising and Bret Burkhart spoke with KCBS Insider Phil Matier.