In a culture that often prioritizes charisma and credentials, it’s easy to forget that biblical leadership is first and foremost a matter of the heart. As leaders, we’re not just forming good volunteers or skilled communicators, we’re shaping men and women into the image of Christ. What does it look like to lead from character, build relationships that matter, and measure success by spiritual transformation rather than statistics?

In this episode, host Brian Daniel sits down with Barnabas Piper, pastor, author, and ministry leader at Emmanuel Church, to explore the kind of leadership that fosters lasting discipleship. Barnabas shares why character must outweigh competence, especially in church leadership, and how relational discipleship sets the foundation for genuine spiritual growth. 

We're confident you'll walk away with practical insight on training and equipping group leaders, cultivating a thriving church culture, and keeping the focus on what matters most: becoming more like Jesus in the context of authentic community.

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