This is a conversation with Zoe Smith, a London-based writer with connection to the Carribeans.

Zoe had written two pieces for The Correspondent which I wanted to talk to her about.

So how do we make mutual aid last? Using the examples of Barrios de Pie in Argentina or the mutual aid groups popping up in the UK and beyond, we tried to answer that question.

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