Host Chris Odell has a long and amusing conversation with BJJ Black Belt and somewhat reluctant BJJ instructional video star Chris Burns. They discuss Chris' history and current work in the realm of Jiu Jitsu, their shared passion for the original martial art, particularly as shown by Rickson Gracie, in contrast to the sport style. They also explore the teaching mindset, and dig into Chris' unique, sometimes controversial personality and presentation.

Chris Burns is a second degree black belt under Rickson Gracie and the founder of the Zero Point Gracie Jiu Jitsu Academy. He also works with The BJJ Project which produces a ton a of great content with his teachings. Chris Burns' Instagram and Facebook

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Intro and outro music by Twenty Shades of Red with excerpts from a speech by Alan Watts (Do You Do It, or Does It Do You).