Chris catches up with Nathan Orchard, a 3rd degree BJJ black belt under Eddie Bravo at 10th Planet. They talk about his unorthodox beginnings as a self taught MMA fighter, and his move to focus on Jiu Jitsu in the 10th Planet system where he was promoted to blue belt status before ever taking a class. Later the conversation turns to philosophy not just on Jiu Jitsu but ancient wisdom practices and observations on modern trajectories. NathanOrchard.com and Instagram

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Intro and outro music by Twenty Shades of Red with excerpts from a speech by Alan Watts (Do You Do It, or Does It Do You).