Epidemiologist and writer Abby Cartus joins me in this interview to explore a fascinating set of questions: What does it mean for public health to fail? What does it mean for it to succeed?

Within the context of the ongoing pandemic, we often hear, or ourselves may make, the refrain that "public health has failed us." This may be true, but it's quite a bit more than failure we must address. Public health is more, possibly less, but certainly different, than it purports and narrativizes itself to be. The rapid shifts in social relations with the onset of the pandemic almost five years ago, and with other looming, percolating crises gathering on the horizons, wondering about not only how public health could seemingly fail, but theoretically succeed, is a fundamentally generative discussion.

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