Jeff and Jim welcome back Robert Snodgrass, Principal at RSM, for a deep dive into the RSM Middle Market Business Index cybersecurity report. The conversation covers the confidence gap facing middle market organizations, why digital identity remains undervalued despite being the primary attack surface, non-human identity governance, flat cybersecurity budgets, risk framework adoption, and what good incident response preparedness actually looks like. The episode wraps with a spirited Bitcoin Pizza Day toppings debate.

Connect with Robert: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robert-snodgrass-7a199412/

Review the RSM US Middle Market Business Index Special Report on Cybersecurity 2026: https://rsmus.com/middle-market/cybersecurity-mmbi.html?cmpid=ola:45559-idac:bb01

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Connect with us on LinkedIn:

Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/

Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/

Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com

TIMESTAMPS

00:00:00 Introduction and Scatter Spider social engineering discussion

00:04:00 IDPro discount code and upcoming conferences

00:06:26 Guest intro: Robert Snodgrass and the MMBI report

00:09:05 Defining the modern middle market

00:12:00 The confidence gap: 96% confident, 18% breached

00:15:04 Why attackers log in and top identity investment priorities

00:19:00 Why only 23% of leaders prioritize digital identity

00:22:00 Internal partnerships as the path to identity program success

00:25:10 AI, shadow AI, and non-human identity risks

00:31:00 NHI governance at scale: 45 to 1 ratio

00:34:50 Cybersecurity budget realities in the middle market

00:39:00 EU regulation and top-line cybersecurity drivers

00:42:03 NIST CSF adoption and risk framework value

00:46:00 Incident response planning: the two-minute drill

00:52:16 Bitcoin Pizza Day and closing thoughts

KEYWORDS

identity security, middle market, cybersecurity, MMBI, RSM, Robert Snodgrass, phishing-resistant MFA, non-human identities, NHI, shadow AI, incident response, NIST CSF, IAM, identity governance, ransomware, tabletop exercises, digital identity, cybersecurity budget, identity program, IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald