Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's former principal secretary has kept a low-profile since testifying about the SNC-Lavalin affair. Now, he speaks candidly about that, his new relationship with the PMO, and the unexpected realities of political fame.

In this episode: Gerald Butts, former principal secretary to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. Hosted by Althia Raj.

Detailed show notes:

(3:43) Butts explains why he’s sitting down for this interview

(26:39) “What do you mean by it was difficult on your family?”

(16:49) The last conversation Butts had with Jody Wilson-Raybould

(27:00) The “most difficult” period for Butts’ family after his resignation

(32:28) A violation of Marquess of Queensberry rules

(45:15) “One of the most surreal things about being involved in politics…”

(48:36) Butts share the best piece of advice he’s ever got (Spoiler: it’s from his aunt, former Canadian senator Sister Peggy Butts)

(49:57) The letter to Dalton McGuinty that marked a career turning point

(1:04:47) Agreeing to disagree on Liberals’ broken promises

(1:08:08) “I don’t think people appreciate how real the dangers are for people in public life right now” and talking about Michael Wernick

(1:18:06) Althia notes how the prime minister seems to be “rudderless”; Butts disagrees