In this episode, join R.A. Martinez and Leah Mix as they unpack some of the roots of modern church movements and denominations and how this informs how we think about things like "the five-fold ministry." This is part one of a two-part conversation looking at Ephesians 4 and 1 Corinthians 12 considering what Paul has to say about "gifts and offices." What was Paul's intention in naming the five distinct positions? How are they different from other gifts? Is the five-fold ministry for today? What would that even look like in today's world? Stay tuned for the next episode to hear Part 2 of the conversation!

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