What do you think of when you hear the word ‘church’? There’s confusion and a lack of clarity about what it means to be a church, but today’s guest wants to re-present the fundamentals so that we’re more responsible with our witness.

Dr. Eric Mason is full of wisdom and he’s got a new book out September 30 called Rebranding the Church: Restoring the Image of God's People in the World. Dr. Mason says we’ve over-corrected in a lot of ways as Christians, going from “holier than thou” to “holiness don’t mean nothing.” We aren’t committed to maturing in our faith. We don’t have a sober-minded view of our own sin, of other people, or of Christian leadership. We’re driven by humanistic individualism, thinking we can do this life apart from the community. So let’s talk about getting back to the church God intended for us to be a part of.

Connect with Dr. Eric Mason: https://www.instagram.com/pastoremase/ | https://www.pastoremase.com/

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Scripture references:

1 Peter 4

Revelation 2

Ezra 7:10

1 Timothy 1:5

1 Corinthians 2:2

Acts 20:27

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Chelsie Baham is not just the winner of Season 26 of Big Brother – she also loves Jesus and was in full-time ministry up until she joined the game last summer.

In “Big Brother,” sixteen strangers are locked in a house for 90 days with cameras and microphones running 24/7 as they compete for a gigantic sum of money. Jackie has watched “Big Brother” since Season 2, and she loves it because of the psychology involved, understanding people’s thoughts and motives as she watches the competition.

The Perrys talk with Chelsie about how ministry – and specifically ministry in California – helped her in the game. And together they hold the tension between our beliefs as Christ followers and the perceived need to lie and manipulate to get ahead in a reality TV game show, which is something Chelsie said she wrestled with every day.

Watch Chelsie on Season 38 of the Amazing Race, premiering September 25 with a cast of Big Brother alums and their family members.

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https://www.instagram.com/chelsiebaham/?hl=en

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Here’s part 2 of the Perrys’ conversation with Megan Ashley and Ebenezer Endiryas about dating in your 30s.

Jackie, Preston, Megan and Ebenezer left you on a cliffhanger. “Should we be more focused on dating people that we’re in community with?” The group picks up the conversation there, talking about creating environments where someone you’ve met online can be brought into your community. They talk about how unkind it is to lead someone on, how men’s lack of emotional connection with other men impacts how they experience women, and how beneficial it would be if singles stopped thinking about “the one” and reflected more on God’s sovereignty. At the end of the day, all of these questions around dating and singleness are nuanced. It’s not black and white – these conversations require wisdom.

Scripture references:

Matthew 6:33

Connect with Ebenezer:

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ebenezerendiryas/

https://www.instagram.com/shapingtheculturepodcast/

Shaping The Culture Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/shaping-the-culture/id1351020282

Connect with Megan:

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/immeganashley/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Immeganashley

In Totality Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/in-totality-with-megan-ashley/id1614077859

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No one is really talking about what it’s like to be single in your 30s, or after you’re divorced or widowed, but it’s time to have a mature conversation about it. The Perrys are joined by two friends – Ebenezer and Megan – to talk about their separate experiences. 

Ebenezer Endiryas is a single pastor who longs to be married one day, and Megan Ashley is a mom of three who was married for 14 years prior to her divorce. Both call themselves hopeless romantics, though they each now have a healthier understanding of kingdom-minded marriage and the sanctification it brings. Jackie, Preston, Megan, and Ebenezer discuss affection and intimacy, why it’s important to have realistic expectations when you marry a sinner, and what dating looks like today when more people are meeting online than in community together. 

This is just the first half of a two-part conversation. Be sure to tune in to the September 1 episode for even more on this discussion. 

Scripture references:

• 2 Samuel 11

Connect with Ebenezer: 

• Ebenezer's Instagram
• Shaping The Culture's Instagram
• Shaping The Culture Podcast

Connect with Megan:

• Instagram
• YouTube
• In Totality Podcast

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Jackie and Preston are joined on the podcast by Gospel music legend Erica Campbell for a conversation on Christian genres and the role of music in our walks as Christ followers. They discuss how race and different cultural experiences factor into the music played in our churches, and how the social media algorithm influences our perception of Christian music too. Is one genre more theologically sound than another? Why is it important for us to not cut ourselves off from how we could experience God in a genre we’re not used to? And how can songwriters resist division, keep Jesus at the center, and seek to write music that will actually disciple people? 

Scripture references:

• Ephesians 5:18-19

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Each one of us is worthy of deep and intentional relationships. Just look at the life of Jesus and His close circles of community. God’s design is for us to be with people, but relationships are hard.

The Perrys are joined by Toni Collier to talk about her new book, Don’t Try This Alone: How to Build Deep Community When You Want to Hide from Your Pain. Toni and the Perrys talk about how past hurt and betrayal can cause us to avoid community, but God has always used other people to help us heal. We fulfill His law by loving His people, so it’s time we get good at trusting others with our pain and sitting with them in theirs.

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Scripture references:

Philippians 1:23-24

Philippians 2:3-4

Galatians 6:2

Job 2:9-13

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Sometimes coming to Christian faith means that life gets harder and we don’t like that. We will all find ourselves in moments or seasons of discouragement, but we can wrestle through it with reverence. The main way to fight discouragement is by having a knowledge of God’s Word that helps you lean into Christ, and in this week’s episode, the Perrys walk through a number of passages to help us do just that. 

Scripture references:

• Psalm 88
• John 6:60-68
• Genesis 21:6
• Luke 1:34
• Galatians 6:6-9
• Psalm 136:1-5
• Hebrews 3:13
• Hebrews 12:1-3
• 1 Peter 4:12-17
• John 15:18-25
• 2 Corinthians 4:16-17
• James 5:13

Other links:

• Jackie at Passion 2025 – “In Defense of Hope”
• “I Don’t Want to Be a Christian Anymore…” from Santee Zenobia TikTok and Instagram 

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The Perrys' Q&A episodes are some of your favorites. In this one, the Perrys answer questions from their Instagram followers, covering topics related to evangelism, marriage, parenting, recognition, and forgiveness. How do you know if you are called to evangelize? Is it okay if a husband and wife attend different churches? What if you’re hesitant to have kids and bring them into a broken world? Let’s talk about it.

Scripture references:

1 Peter 3:1-2

Matthew 6:1-2

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After their “Act Like a Man” episode, the Perrys thought it would be beneficial to also have a conversation on womanhood.

When Jackie first became a believer, she felt as though many books she read on womanhood leaned heavily on cultural contexts or norms instead of Biblical frameworks. As she has become more comfortable in her femininity, she’s learned more about what it looks like to show up as a woman in everything God has called her to, whether that be marriage, motherhood, or ministry. Jackie and Preston discuss women’s unique interpretations of scripture because of experiences men can’t relate to, why a wife’s submission to her husband is an act of tremendous strength, and how women’s voices can be prioritized and dignified in the church.

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Scripture references:

Genesis 16 (the story of Hagar)

Ephesians 5:22-24 & 23

1 Peter 3:5-6

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God’s people are represented in more than just your immediate Christian circle and cultural context. And if we are as Christ followers are indwelt with the Holy Spirit, there’s always something to learn from one another.

The Perrys reflect on their experiences inside different church settings, denominations, and faith expressions throughout their ministry. They’ve learned that God is too big for us to limit Him to our preferences or the church culture we’re a part of. Jackie and Preston discuss how we have to go in with open minds and humble hearts, not walking in arrogance if people’s worship looks different than ours.

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Scripture references:

Philippians 2

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