With The Perrys

Even when we're surrounded by people, we can still feel deeply alone. Loneliness will have you wondering, “Will anyone ever fully see me, know me, and love me in light of what they see?”

In this conversation, Jackie and Preston discuss the ways loneliness can leave us vulnerable, when it might be wise to choose being alone with God instead of running to other people, and how the enemy uses isolation to discourage us. They also explore why it’s important that we develop the trust, security and awareness of God’s presence so we’re not discouraged when people leave.

This is part one of a two-part conversation, so come back next week for even more discussion of loneliness.

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What do you do with the pain that remains after you’ve forgiven someone?

If we look to the Bible for guidance, we see that one-third of the Psalms are “imprecatory prayers,” or prayers for justice or vengeance. It’s in those prayers that we can find some helpful language for handing over that grief and anger to God, trusting Him with the outcome.

Nona Jones joins Jackie and Preston to talk about her new book, “The Power of Petty Prayers.” They discuss why we can’t always wait for resentment to disappear before choosing to love, and how bitterness can become a debt we unknowingly hold against others.

Check out Nona’s new book, “The Power of Petty Prayers: How to Heal Your Hurt When You're Wounded, Weary, and Just Plain Mad” – https://www.amazon.com/Power-Petty-Prayers-Youre-Wounded/dp/0310368308/

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What does the Bible teach us about aging, and how might our perspective change if we viewed getting older through a theological lens rather than a cultural one?

Preston and Jackie sit down with Jen Wilkin to discuss what Scripture says on the topic, explored further in Jen’s new book “Dust to Dust, Aging Wisely in an Anti-Aging World.”

Jen, Jackie and Preston talk about why our culture often approaches aging with fear and contempt, how the fall has shaped our experience of our bodies, and what it looks like to embrace aging as part of the story God is telling. They also discuss caring for aging parents, embracing our own future dependence, honoring the wisdom of older generations, and the church’s responsibility to care for people throughout their entire lives.

Check out Jen’s new book, “Dust to Dust: Aging Wisely in an Anti-Aging World” – https://www.amazon.com/Dust-Aging-Wisely-Anti-Aging-World/dp/B0GL4W27PX/

Connect with Jen and check out her Bible studies

“At My Mother’s Deathbed, I Discovered the Symmetry of a Long Life” (Jen Wilkin, Christianity Today)

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Pain changes us, and it can make us bitter before it makes us resilient. We can also become more attached to our pain than to our Savior, and that’s idolatry.

Toni Collier joins the Perrys to talk about what bitterness looks like and what it means to reckon with our suffering instead of running from it. Toni and Preston discuss their individual experiences with ADHD and how their brains uniquely process trauma and pain. Toni unpacks her experience with EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) therapy and how it creates the space to process through hard things. Toni, Jackie and Preston together point to the fact that healing is a communal project – healing requires bringing our suffering to the Lord and to safe people in our lives.

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Check out two seasons of Unshakeable Moxie, a FREE video series from Our Daily Bread, co-hosted by Toni Collier:

www.odbm.org/en/media/unshakable-moxie

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Y’all love a “storytime” episode and it’s been a while since the Perrys recorded one.

The Perrys cover a wide range of topics, from legalism and the idea of “sinless perfection” to stories about identity, “hood” dynamics, and pretending to be someone you’re not.

Jackie and Preston discuss the theology of justification and sanctification as they remember meeting someone during a stop on a poetry tour who claimed he had not sinned in 10 years.

Then you’ll hear some high-school Jackie stories – like the time she was a fake gang member on her old Black Planet page – plus Preston’s recollection of the time he got robbed in Nigeria for multiple hours.

It’s a funny one – enjoy.

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We hear a lot about people experiencing “father wounds” but what about those who carry heartache, anger or sorrow because of a wounding mother?

When Dr. Sarita Lyons joined Jackie for the Glory Conference in 2023, an attendee asked about navigating difficult relationships with mothers. Feeling burdened by the Holy Spirit after that interaction and many conversations that followed it, Dr. Sarita has written a book to help people grieve honestly and heal deeply.

Jackie, Preston and Dr. Sarita Lyons discuss what it means to honor your mother while still acknowledging the ways you’ve been hurt. They explore the difference between godly sorrow and condemnation, what it looks like to hold truth and grace together, and how the Gospel offers hope for wholeness.

Check out “Honor Thy Mother: How to Grieve, Heal, and Make Peace with Your Mother Wounds” – www.saritalyons.com/honor-thy-mother-book

Connect with Dr. Sarita Lyons

www.saritalyons.com

www.instagram.com/drsaritalyons

Honor Thy Mother Conference in October – saritalyons.com/honorthymotherconference

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People say, “We’re more divided than ever before,” but are we okay with that, or are we going to do something about it? Are we normalizing division and disrespecting God by not prioritizing something He does?

Jackie and Preston are joined by Pricelis Perreaux-Dominguez for a conversation on fighting for unity in the church. Unity does not mean erasing differences to have complete uniformity – that can lead to tribalism, idolatry, and ultimately dehumanization. The church has to be willing to lean into discomfort for the sake of unity in the Body of Christ, and that’s going to require us to actively pursue proximity, curiosity, humility, and honest conversations.

Check out “False Peace: How to Reject the Lie of Sameness, Embrace Difference, and Embody True Unity” – https://www.amazon.com/False-Peace-Sameness-Embrace-Difference/dp/1587436701

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We have to think about what we’re thinking about. Go back and read that again.

Our thought life as Christ followers matters. It’s important we remain vigilant to identify and uproot the lies we’re believing, and to do that continually in community with the power of the Holy Spirit.

This is part two of a conversation on the battlefield of the mind. If you missed The Work of Mind Renewal, go back and watch on YouTube or listen on your platform of choice: https://youtu.be/n2nHa8_mSzQ

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Jackie and Preston are back with new episodes, and they’re kicking things off with a two-part conversation on the battlefield of the mind.

Our minds have a lot to say, all the time. What we think about – and ultimately what we believe because of those thoughts – will dictate the way we behave, communicate, and relate to one another.

What does it look like to “train” your mind and take every thought captive? How does trauma impact your thoughts and emotions? And what practical things can you do to guard your mind against the enemy?

Be sure to come back next week for part two!

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To change things up from a typical re-run, our team has put together “deep dive” episodes on specific topics or themes, pulling key moments from relevant episodes and bringing them together for one comprehensive listening experience.

What do you do when faith feels hard, when you’re wrestling with doubt, unanswered prayers, or disappointment with God? Jackie, Preston, and a number of their podcast guests have words of encouragement to speak over you.

If you feel weary or like you’re struggling to believe God is good, we hope these clips from past episodes will provide reassurance to keep going.

Today’s Deep Dive features content from four past episodes:

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With The Perrys is a podcast where biblical truth meets honest conversation. Join Preston Perry and Jackie Hill Perry as they discuss theology, relationships, parenting, culture, and the everyday realities of following Jesus. With humor, transparency, and a deep commitment to Scripture, each episode aims to point listeners back to Christ, deepen their understanding of God's Word, and encourage faithful obedience in every area of life.

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