Dallas and Amanda Jenkins, creators of The Chosen, join the Perrys to talk about how God used one movie’s box-office failure to bring about the now globally popular television series about the life of Jesus. 

The Jenkins talk about bringing their “five loaves and two fish” to God, letting Him handle the multiplication, and creating from a place of dependence rather than success. They discuss what it looks like to lead with authenticity, use “sanctified imagination” while staying true to Scripture, and keep their focus on honoring the character of Jesus. The conversation also covers how they handle criticism of their handling of Scripture and how they view The Chosen as both creative work and ministry.

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https://www.instagram.com/dallas.jenkins/

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Scripture references

• John 15:2

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Every one of us will, at some point in our lives, come to realize that our faith alone can’t produce everything we want, when we want it. It’s hard to trust the Lord when we’re praying prayers that haven’t been answered.

Jennifer Lucy Tyler joins the Perrys to talk about what she’s learned about God’s sovereignty through her journey of infertility. She shares about experiencing the joy of the Lord – even when He’s not given you the thing you desperately want – and why through our lament, we can still have hope that what He has for us is good.

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Scripture references

Lamentations 3:21-24

Exodus 17:10-13

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Social media has been a contentious place after the murder of Charlie Kirk, and the public mourning of his death has felt confusing and concerning for many people. How should we as Christ followers respond in such a polarizing time? 

In this honest conversation, Jackie and Preston sit down with Justin Giboney, cofounder and president of the AND Campaign, to process through what happens in our hearts – and in the church – when tragedy plays out in the public square. 

Why do we turn to social media to have our feelings validated? Are we experiencing a true gospel revival or a reawakening of ideological conservatism? And how can we move out of this culture war to have constructive and edifying conversations, not as members of one political party or another but as Christ followers?

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Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/justinegiboney/ and https://www.instagram.com/andcampaign/

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• Justin’s new book – Don't Let Nobody Turn You Around How the Black Church's Public Witness Leads Us out of the Culture War https://www.amazon.com/Dont-Let-Nobody-Turn-Around/dp/1514008424
• Theologian Luigi Giussani

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What do you think of when you hear the word ‘church’? There’s confusion and a lack of clarity about what it means to be a church, but today’s guest wants to re-present the fundamentals so that we’re more responsible with our witness.

Dr. Eric Mason is full of wisdom and he’s got a new book out September 30 called Rebranding the Church: Restoring the Image of God's People in the World. Dr. Mason says we’ve over-corrected in a lot of ways as Christians, going from “holier than thou” to “holiness don’t mean nothing.” We aren’t committed to maturing in our faith. We don’t have a sober-minded view of our own sin, of other people, or of Christian leadership. We’re driven by humanistic individualism, thinking we can do this life apart from the community. So let’s talk about getting back to the church God intended for us to be a part of.

Connect with Dr. Eric Mason: https://www.instagram.com/pastoremase/ | https://www.pastoremase.com/

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Scripture references:

1 Peter 4

Revelation 2

Ezra 7:10

1 Timothy 1:5

1 Corinthians 2:2

Acts 20:27

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Chelsie Baham is not just the winner of Season 26 of Big Brother – she also loves Jesus and was in full-time ministry up until she joined the game last summer.

In “Big Brother,” sixteen strangers are locked in a house for 90 days with cameras and microphones running 24/7 as they compete for a gigantic sum of money. Jackie has watched “Big Brother” since Season 2, and she loves it because of the psychology involved, understanding people’s thoughts and motives as she watches the competition.

The Perrys talk with Chelsie about how ministry – and specifically ministry in California – helped her in the game. And together they hold the tension between our beliefs as Christ followers and the perceived need to lie and manipulate to get ahead in a reality TV game show, which is something Chelsie said she wrestled with every day.

Watch Chelsie on Season 38 of the Amazing Race, premiering September 25 with a cast of Big Brother alums and their family members.

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Here’s part 2 of the Perrys’ conversation with Megan Ashley and Ebenezer Endiryas about dating in your 30s.

Jackie, Preston, Megan and Ebenezer left you on a cliffhanger. “Should we be more focused on dating people that we’re in community with?” The group picks up the conversation there, talking about creating environments where someone you’ve met online can be brought into your community. They talk about how unkind it is to lead someone on, how men’s lack of emotional connection with other men impacts how they experience women, and how beneficial it would be if singles stopped thinking about “the one” and reflected more on God’s sovereignty. At the end of the day, all of these questions around dating and singleness are nuanced. It’s not black and white – these conversations require wisdom.

Scripture references:

Matthew 6:33

Connect with Ebenezer:

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ebenezerendiryas/

https://www.instagram.com/shapingtheculturepodcast/

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Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/immeganashley/

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In Totality Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/in-totality-with-megan-ashley/id1614077859

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No one is really talking about what it’s like to be single in your 30s, or after you’re divorced or widowed, but it’s time to have a mature conversation about it. The Perrys are joined by two friends – Ebenezer and Megan – to talk about their separate experiences. 

Ebenezer Endiryas is a single pastor who longs to be married one day, and Megan Ashley is a mom of three who was married for 14 years prior to her divorce. Both call themselves hopeless romantics, though they each now have a healthier understanding of kingdom-minded marriage and the sanctification it brings. Jackie, Preston, Megan, and Ebenezer discuss affection and intimacy, why it’s important to have realistic expectations when you marry a sinner, and what dating looks like today when more people are meeting online than in community together. 

This is just the first half of a two-part conversation. Be sure to tune in to the September 1 episode for even more on this discussion. 

Scripture references:

• 2 Samuel 11

Connect with Ebenezer: 

• Ebenezer's Instagram
• Shaping The Culture's Instagram
• Shaping The Culture Podcast

Connect with Megan:

• Instagram
• YouTube
• In Totality Podcast

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Jackie and Preston are joined on the podcast by Gospel music legend Erica Campbell for a conversation on Christian genres and the role of music in our walks as Christ followers. They discuss how race and different cultural experiences factor into the music played in our churches, and how the social media algorithm influences our perception of Christian music too. Is one genre more theologically sound than another? Why is it important for us to not cut ourselves off from how we could experience God in a genre we’re not used to? And how can songwriters resist division, keep Jesus at the center, and seek to write music that will actually disciple people? 

Scripture references:

• Ephesians 5:18-19

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Each one of us is worthy of deep and intentional relationships. Just look at the life of Jesus and His close circles of community. God’s design is for us to be with people, but relationships are hard.

The Perrys are joined by Toni Collier to talk about her new book, Don’t Try This Alone: How to Build Deep Community When You Want to Hide from Your Pain. Toni and the Perrys talk about how past hurt and betrayal can cause us to avoid community, but God has always used other people to help us heal. We fulfill His law by loving His people, so it’s time we get good at trusting others with our pain and sitting with them in theirs.

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Scripture references:

Philippians 1:23-24

Philippians 2:3-4

Galatians 6:2

Job 2:9-13

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Sometimes coming to Christian faith means that life gets harder and we don’t like that. We will all find ourselves in moments or seasons of discouragement, but we can wrestle through it with reverence. The main way to fight discouragement is by having a knowledge of God’s Word that helps you lean into Christ, and in this week’s episode, the Perrys walk through a number of passages to help us do just that. 

Scripture references:

• Psalm 88
• John 6:60-68
• Genesis 21:6
• Luke 1:34
• Galatians 6:6-9
• Psalm 136:1-5
• Hebrews 3:13
• Hebrews 12:1-3
• 1 Peter 4:12-17
• John 15:18-25
• 2 Corinthians 4:16-17
• James 5:13

Other links:

• Jackie at Passion 2025 – “In Defense of Hope”
• “I Don’t Want to Be a Christian Anymore…” from Santee Zenobia TikTok and Instagram 

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