With The Perrys

Melody and C.D. Fabien made headlines for waiting to kiss until marriage. Now more than a decade later, they're doing "dating discipleship" work with couples who feel confused about the in between, wanting to date intentionally before getting engaged. 

In this conversation with the Perrys, the Fabiens discuss what it means to date with godly wisdom, lead with integrity, and pursue purity that lasts beyond the wedding day. Melody and C.D. say that obedience is inconvenient but it's always worth it. They make a case for why living together before marriage is actually spoken against in the Bible, and they offer encouragement around boundaries, conviction, repentance and community. 

This is just part one of the conversation. Listen in and then come back next week to hear the rest. 

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Tye Tribbett is a Grammy Award-winning gospel artist who infuses his songs with scripture, teaching listeners about God as he sings. In 1996 he created “Greater Anointing,” a choir of his family and friends, and ever since, he’s been writing Jesus-focused music to start conversations, not condemn. 

Tye talks with the Perrys about humility, ambition, and what it means to stay kingdom-focused in an industry obsessed with viral success. They unpack the challenges of today’s gospel music scene – from sensationalism to the pressure to perform – and the importance of slowing down for ministry moments and walking closely with God.

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Even thinking about engaging in a conversation with kids about sexuality can feel scary, but Laurie and Matt Krieg have a heart to help parents approach the topic without fear.

The Kriegs join Jackie and Preston to discuss moving beyond the shame-filled messages of purity culture – what was a “theology of no” – instead to a theology of goodness and flourishing. They talk about being your child’s “anchoring bias” – the first voice a child hears on these topics – and why it’s so important to respond like Jesus when your child is exposed to something online or confesses. 

Laurie and Matt also share about a new video series called “Raising Kids,” created with other thought leaders including Jon Tyson, John Mark Comer, Preston Sprinkle, and the Perrys, among many others. This 8-part video series is designed for parents of kids 12 and under, covering topics such as porn prevention, body safety, gender, and belonging. https://courses.christian-sexuality.com/courses/raising-kids  

Check out Laurie and Matt’s upcoming book, Raising Wise Kids in a Sexually Broken World: A Gospel-Centered Approach, releasing January 2026: https://www.amazon.com/Raising-Wise-Sexually-Broken-World/dp/1514012146

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Dallas and Amanda Jenkins, creators of The Chosen, join the Perrys to talk about how God used one movie’s box-office failure to bring about the now globally popular television series about the life of Jesus. 

The Jenkins talk about bringing their “five loaves and two fish” to God, letting Him handle the multiplication, and creating from a place of dependence rather than success. They discuss what it looks like to lead with authenticity, use “sanctified imagination” while staying true to Scripture, and keep their focus on honoring the character of Jesus. The conversation also covers how they handle criticism of their handling of Scripture and how they view The Chosen as both creative work and ministry.

Stream The Chosen on Prime Video or in The Chosen app: https://www.thechosen.tv/en-us

Connect with the Jenkins

https://www.instagram.com/dallas.jenkins/

https://www.instagram.com/amandaleejenkins/

Check out other Bible study resources and children’s books from The Chosen: https://www.amazon.com/stores/TheChosen/page/DA0F6571-B17A-41C3-8A25-5882393DA109

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Every one of us will, at some point in our lives, come to realize that our faith alone can’t produce everything we want, when we want it. It’s hard to trust the Lord when we’re praying prayers that haven’t been answered.

Jennifer Lucy Tyler joins the Perrys to talk about what she’s learned about God’s sovereignty through her journey of infertility. She shares about experiencing the joy of the Lord – even when He’s not given you the thing you desperately want – and why through our lament, we can still have hope that what He has for us is good.

Check out Jennifer’s new book, When Dreams Fall Apart: How Unanswered Prayers Can Deepen Your Intimacy with God https://www.amazon.com/When-Dreams-Fall-Apart-Unanswered/dp/0802435521

Scripture references

Lamentations 3:21-24

Exodus 17:10-13

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Social media has been a contentious place after the murder of Charlie Kirk, and the public mourning of his death has felt confusing and concerning for many people. How should we as Christ followers respond in such a polarizing time? 

In this honest conversation, Jackie and Preston sit down with Justin Giboney, cofounder and president of the AND Campaign, to process through what happens in our hearts – and in the church – when tragedy plays out in the public square. 

Why do we turn to social media to have our feelings validated? Are we experiencing a true gospel revival or a reawakening of ideological conservatism? And how can we move out of this culture war to have constructive and edifying conversations, not as members of one political party or another but as Christ followers?

Connect with Justin
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/justinegiboney/ and https://www.instagram.com/andcampaign/

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What do you think of when you hear the word ‘church’? There’s confusion and a lack of clarity about what it means to be a church, but today’s guest wants to re-present the fundamentals so that we’re more responsible with our witness.

Dr. Eric Mason is full of wisdom and he’s got a new book out September 30 called Rebranding the Church: Restoring the Image of God's People in the World. Dr. Mason says we’ve over-corrected in a lot of ways as Christians, going from “holier than thou” to “holiness don’t mean nothing.” We aren’t committed to maturing in our faith. We don’t have a sober-minded view of our own sin, of other people, or of Christian leadership. We’re driven by humanistic individualism, thinking we can do this life apart from the community. So let’s talk about getting back to the church God intended for us to be a part of.

Connect with Dr. Eric Mason: https://www.instagram.com/pastoremase/ | https://www.pastoremase.com/

Grab a copy of Rebranding the Church: Restoring the Image of God's People in the World: https://www.amazon.com/Rebranding-Church-Restoring-Image-People/dp/0593602110/

Scripture references:

1 Peter 4

Revelation 2

Ezra 7:10

1 Timothy 1:5

1 Corinthians 2:2

Acts 20:27

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Chelsie Baham is not just the winner of Season 26 of Big Brother – she also loves Jesus and was in full-time ministry up until she joined the game last summer.

In “Big Brother,” sixteen strangers are locked in a house for 90 days with cameras and microphones running 24/7 as they compete for a gigantic sum of money. Jackie has watched “Big Brother” since Season 2, and she loves it because of the psychology involved, understanding people’s thoughts and motives as she watches the competition.

The Perrys talk with Chelsie about how ministry – and specifically ministry in California – helped her in the game. And together they hold the tension between our beliefs as Christ followers and the perceived need to lie and manipulate to get ahead in a reality TV game show, which is something Chelsie said she wrestled with every day.

Watch Chelsie on Season 38 of the Amazing Race, premiering September 25 with a cast of Big Brother alums and their family members.

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Here’s part 2 of the Perrys’ conversation with Megan Ashley and Ebenezer Endiryas about dating in your 30s.

Jackie, Preston, Megan and Ebenezer left you on a cliffhanger. “Should we be more focused on dating people that we’re in community with?” The group picks up the conversation there, talking about creating environments where someone you’ve met online can be brought into your community. They talk about how unkind it is to lead someone on, how men’s lack of emotional connection with other men impacts how they experience women, and how beneficial it would be if singles stopped thinking about “the one” and reflected more on God’s sovereignty. At the end of the day, all of these questions around dating and singleness are nuanced. It’s not black and white – these conversations require wisdom.

Scripture references:

Matthew 6:33

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Shaping The Culture Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/shaping-the-culture/id1351020282

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In Totality Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/in-totality-with-megan-ashley/id1614077859

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No one is really talking about what it’s like to be single in your 30s, or after you’re divorced or widowed, but it’s time to have a mature conversation about it. The Perrys are joined by two friends – Ebenezer and Megan – to talk about their separate experiences. 

Ebenezer Endiryas is a single pastor who longs to be married one day, and Megan Ashley is a mom of three who was married for 14 years prior to her divorce. Both call themselves hopeless romantics, though they each now have a healthier understanding of kingdom-minded marriage and the sanctification it brings. Jackie, Preston, Megan, and Ebenezer discuss affection and intimacy, why it’s important to have realistic expectations when you marry a sinner, and what dating looks like today when more people are meeting online than in community together. 

This is just the first half of a two-part conversation. Be sure to tune in to the September 1 episode for even more on this discussion. 

Scripture references:

• 2 Samuel 11

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