With The Perrys

Jackie and Preston are joined on the podcast by Gospel music legend Erica Campbell for a conversation on Christian genres and the role of music in our walks as Christ followers. They discuss how race and different cultural experiences factor into the music played in our churches, and how the social media algorithm influences our perception of Christian music too. Is one genre more theologically sound than another? Why is it important for us to not cut ourselves off from how we could experience God in a genre we’re not used to? And how can songwriters resist division, keep Jesus at the center, and seek to write music that will actually disciple people? 

Scripture references:

• Ephesians 5:18-19

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Each one of us is worthy of deep and intentional relationships. Just look at the life of Jesus and His close circles of community. God’s design is for us to be with people, but relationships are hard.

The Perrys are joined by Toni Collier to talk about her new book, Don’t Try This Alone: How to Build Deep Community When You Want to Hide from Your Pain. Toni and the Perrys talk about how past hurt and betrayal can cause us to avoid community, but God has always used other people to help us heal. We fulfill His law by loving His people, so it’s time we get good at trusting others with our pain and sitting with them in theirs.

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Scripture references:

Philippians 1:23-24

Philippians 2:3-4

Galatians 6:2

Job 2:9-13

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Sometimes coming to Christian faith means that life gets harder and we don’t like that. We will all find ourselves in moments or seasons of discouragement, but we can wrestle through it with reverence. The main way to fight discouragement is by having a knowledge of God’s Word that helps you lean into Christ, and in this week’s episode, the Perrys walk through a number of passages to help us do just that. 

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The Perrys' Q&A episodes are some of your favorites. In this one, the Perrys answer questions from their Instagram followers, covering topics related to evangelism, marriage, parenting, recognition, and forgiveness. How do you know if you are called to evangelize? Is it okay if a husband and wife attend different churches? What if you’re hesitant to have kids and bring them into a broken world? Let’s talk about it.

Scripture references:

1 Peter 3:1-2

Matthew 6:1-2

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After their “Act Like a Man” episode, the Perrys thought it would be beneficial to also have a conversation on womanhood.

When Jackie first became a believer, she felt as though many books she read on womanhood leaned heavily on cultural contexts or norms instead of Biblical frameworks. As she has become more comfortable in her femininity, she’s learned more about what it looks like to show up as a woman in everything God has called her to, whether that be marriage, motherhood, or ministry. Jackie and Preston discuss women’s unique interpretations of scripture because of experiences men can’t relate to, why a wife’s submission to her husband is an act of tremendous strength, and how women’s voices can be prioritized and dignified in the church.

Scripture references:

Genesis 16 (the story of Hagar)

Ephesians 5:22-24 & 23

1 Peter 3:5-6

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God’s people are represented in more than just your immediate Christian circle and cultural context. And if we are as Christ followers are indwelt with the Holy Spirit, there’s always something to learn from one another.

The Perrys reflect on their experiences inside different church settings, denominations, and faith expressions throughout their ministry. They’ve learned that God is too big for us to limit Him to our preferences or the church culture we’re a part of. Jackie and Preston discuss how we have to go in with open minds and humble hearts, not walking in arrogance if people’s worship looks different than ours.

Scripture references:

Philippians 2

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Christianity is an intellectual faith, and the Lord wants us to use our minds. We see that in passages that say “Think on these things” or “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength.” But how do you know if you’ve made an idol out of knowledge?

You might find yourself critiquing and correcting more than you build others up. Knowledge can be an idol when it’s solely for you and not used for the edification of the Body of Christ. In this episode, the Perrys discuss why it’s important that we pray for wisdom more than we seek after knowledge, and that we’re faithful with what we do know by actually applying it to our lives.

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You won’t always have uninterrupted affection for the things God has called you to, and that’s normal. So what do you do when you feel like you hate being at home?

Home can be a stressful and overwhelming place, one that is completely “others” oriented. Our spouses and kids depend on us. We have responsibilities that cannot be ignored. The mundane of our day-to-day lives makes us wrestle with both our ambition and our apathy. Ultimately, we often dislike “home” because it reminds us of our need for sanctification. The Perrys discuss what to do when we struggle with this discontentment and how the Lord can renew our minds to see home as a gift to be stewarded.

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Scripture references:

Genesis 2:15

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We are losing sight of the simplicity of the gospel message, and we’ve got to get back to the basics. In this episode, Jackie and Preston discuss why it is that we don’t focus enough on Jesus’ redemptive work on the cross. Our sin is a big reason. We forget about God’s wrath and why we need to be saved in the first place. We get caught up in a works-based idea of sanctification. The truth of the gospel becomes uninteresting as we seek greater understanding or deeper knowledge. We can also go through the spiritual disciplines – like time in the Word or prayer – without truly abiding in Christ. All of these scenarios overcomplicate our view of the cross, and it’s time we talk about it.

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Resources:

The Cross of Christ by John Stott

Paul Washer’s 7-part sermon series, “Freedom in The Gospel”

Scripture references:

Galatians 6:14

1 Corinthians 2:1-5

Proverbs 9:10

John 13:34

John 15:3-5

2 Peter 1:3-9

Jeremiah 25:15

Romans 3:22-26

Romans 8:9-11

2 Corinthians 4:7-10

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In 1 Corinthians, Paul says, “Act like men, be strong.” But what does manhood look like?

In this episode, Preston explores some of his earliest views of masculinity as a kid and what it meant to “be a man.” The development of our identity is shaped by both parents in unique ways, so the Perrys talk about the dynamics of being nurtured – or not – by a mother and a father. They also discuss the modeling of emotional maturity, the idea of attachment theory, healthy relationships with other men, and opportunities for discipleship.

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Resources:

Manhood Restored (Dr. Eric Mason)

This Momentary Marriage (John Piper)

Scripture references:

1 Corinthians 16:13

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