Garza and Zack the Kid talk about recently seeing Meshuggah, taking risks in music, the new Slipknot record & much more!

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TIME CODES:

00:00 - Intro

00:40 - Papa Roach & Evanescence being great live bands

6:12 - Meshuggah playing Rational Gaze

11:24 - Cobra Kai & Dahmer

16:06 - Dark & the beautiful

23:51 - Peace in chaos

28:39 - Carlos Santana on the podcast?

35:00- Garza playing deathcore longer than anyone?

41:50 - Taking risks in heavy music

45:00 - The new Slipknot record

48:37 - Wearing football jerseys