In this episode, Niall is joined by David Quinn, journalist and columnist with the Sunday Independent, for a challenging and wide-ranging conversation on Islamic extremism, public debate, and the growing confusion around what is — and is not — anti-Semitism.

David argues that Islamic extremism remains one of the most difficult topics to discuss openly in Western societies. He suggests that fear of causing offence, being labelled racist or Islamophobic, or crossing social and professional red lines has led to widespread reluctance to engage honestly with the issue — even when extremism manifests in violence, intimidation, or threats to liberal democratic values.

The discussion explores why criticism of extremist ideology is so often conflated with hostility toward ordinary Muslims, most of whom reject violence and extremism outright. Where should the line be drawn between legitimate scrutiny of beliefs and unfair collective blame? And who gets to define that line?

Niall and David also delve into the increasingly charged debate around anti-Semitism, particularly in the context of criticism of Israel. When does political criticism cross into prejudice against Jewish people — and when is the term “anti-Semitism” misused to shut down debate? David outlines his concerns about blurred definitions, selective outrage, and the impact this has on free speech and honest discussion.

Along the way, they touch on media responsibility, political cowardice, cultural sensitivity, and whether Western societies are equipped to have nuanced conversations about religion, ideology and extremism without resorting to slogans or fear.

A frank, sometimes uncomfortable discussion — but one that asks whether avoiding hard conversations is making things safer… or simply leaving them unresolved.