In this episode Daniel chats with Dr. Xiaoshu Zhu about issues with the education of Chinese Medicine in the West and in China, the current state of research n the field, the challenges and rewards of working with Biomedical professionals and contextualising an ancient modality in modern times, as well as her collaboration with the Beijing University of Chinese Medicine and other institutions in China. Dr Zhu is Associate Professor, Associate Dean of School (International) and Director of Academic Program of Traditional Chinese Medicine at the University of Western Sydney. She is also key senior researcher in cancer field at the National Institute of Complementary Medicine (NICM) which is hosted by the University.