I don’t have time to exercise.” Sound familiar? In this episode, Katy Bowman talks with clinical psychologist and author Dr. Diana Hill about one of the most common barriers to movement—and why it’s really an issue of energy management and prioritization, not time. Drawing from her books Wise Effort and I Know I Should Exercise, But... Dr. Hill shares how recognizing “choice points” throughout your day can help you move past procrastination and toward the exercise you truly want to do. 

Through practical psychology and real-life examples, Katy and Diana explore how to recognize your stalling loops, reduce transition friction, and align your daily movement habits with your values and genius energy. You’ll learn compassionate, doable strategies for getting unstuck—whether it’s setting your sport shoes out the night before, reframing movement as energy renewal, or aligning movement with your relationships. This episode offers fresh insight and motivation for anyone who wants to move more and make exercise feel possible again.

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EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS:

07:40 – Wise Effort: Using your energy in alignment with your values

08:10 – Genius Energy: Recognizing your unique strengths
12:44 – Overcoming “I Don’t Have Time to Exercise” with wise effort
15:40 – Stalling Behavior: How to recognize and manage it
20:03 – Productive Procrastination: Turning stalling energy into productive movement
27:12 – Choice Point Tool: Decision moments to redirect energy toward exercise
32:47 – Supporting Your Future Self: Setting up routines and contexts that help you stay active
36:10 – Relationship Map: Aligning movement goals, energy, and relationships
45:38 – Movement, Community, and Celebrations: Engaging others in activity
49:58 – Energy Audit for Decision Making: Four questions to guide your choices
57:02 – Listener Question: Floor sleeping and neck tension

BOOKS & RESEARCH MENTIONED

I Know I Should Exercise But... 44 Reasons We Don’t Move and How to Get Over Them by Diana Hill & Katy Bowman
Wise Effort: How to Focus Your Genius Energy on What Matters Most by Diana Hill  

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As we age, maintaining muscle power—not just strength—is key to staying independent, quick, and injury-free. In this episode, Katy and Jeannette explain the difference between strength and power, and why adding speed or intensity to the movements you're already doing—like walking, climbing stairs, or getting up from a chair—can make all the difference. From stair climbing to pickleball to plyometrics, learn practical ways to build power and maintain independence for years to come.

They share practical ways to train power with (or without) an overhaul to your routine, and Katy chats with masters athlete and Peluva co-founder Brad Kearns about maintaining explosive strength after 60. Hear how Brad shifted from endurance to high jump, why minimalist shoes can support aging feet, and how smarter movement helps you age better.

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CHAPTERS

00:02:15 - Power - the definitions 

00:06:10 - The Dynamic Collective 

00:12:05 - Why Power is Important as You Get Older 

00:21:15 - Listener Question about Plyometrics brought to you by Smart Playrooms 

00:31:30 - Interview with power athlete Brad Kearns of Peluva Footwear 

 
BOOKS & RESEARCH MENTIONED

My Perfect Movement Plan by Katy Bowman
Whole Body Barefoot by Katy Bowman
ACSM’s Health & Fitness Journal Special Edition on Power 

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Katy Bowman and Jeannette Loram dig into the science—and the hype—around so-called “exercise pills.” They unpack what these drugs do at the molecular level, what they can—and can’t—mimic about exercise, and who might benefit—from elite athletes to people with disabilities or chronic illness. 

The conversation goes beyond physiology into questions of culture, psychology, and even the future of sport—where performance-enhancing technologies are blurring the lines between natural and engineered human potential.

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CHAPTERS

0:03:12 The Dynamic Collective 

0:04:28 – How Do Exercise Pills Work?

0:06:50 – Exercise Pills, Skeletal Muscle targets and ‘Enhanced’ Sport Performance

0:12:30 – Who Might Benefit from Exercise Pills?
0:14:08 – Why Pills Can’t Replace All The Effects of Exercise
0:24:26 – Can Exercise Pills Close the Health Gap? And Why Are We Failing To Exercise Enough?
0:34:26 – Beyond Blood Panels: What Pills Miss About Movement
0:36:56 – Listener Question brought to you by Venn Design  

 
RESEARCH MENTIONED

Mimicking Exercise: What Matters Most and Where To Next? Hawley et al (2021)
Exercise pills for cardiometabolic health cannot mimic the exercise milieu Plaza-Florido et al (2025)

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Katy Bowman and Jeannette Loram explore skin strength, focusing on what a callus is, how calluses form on the hands and feet, and how it affects circulation. They also discuss the pros and cons of calluses, comparing them to a weight belt for your skin—reinforcing, protecting, and ultimately enabling your body to do more.

They share personal stories—from rowing and kayaking to gardening—highlighting how it's often skin, not muscles, that limits activity. Katy also chats with Karri Bowen-Poole, founder of Smart Playrooms, about designing home spaces that promote hanging, build skin strength, and support kids’ physical and cognitive development. They cover equipment ideas, dynamic home design tips, and draw inspiration from Ninja Warrior athletes.

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CHAPTERS 

00:04:30 - The Dynamic Collective 

00:08:20 - What is a Callus? And the Listener Question on calluses & circulation brought to you by Sweet Skins 

00:22:30 - Updated insights about the Callus, skin strength and its relationship to whole-body movement  

00:35:25 - Skin Tissue and Thoughtful Progression

00:42:00 - Interview with Karri Bowen-Poole, founder of Smart Playrooms

BOOKS & RESEARCH PAPERS

Move Your DNA by Katy Bowman
Simple Steps to Foot Pain Relief by Katy Bowman
Callus Formation by Kim et al (2010)
Blood Flow In The Skin in relation to temperature and pressure by J Petrofsky (2012)
Foot Callus and Tactile Sensitivity by Holowka et al (2019) - Daniel Lieberman group

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In this episode, Katy Bowman and Jeannette Loram dive into the fascinating relationship between blood sugar, diet, and movement. They unpack how the body regulates blood sugar, what happens when this process breaks down in Type I and Type II diabetes, and why different kinds of activity play such a big role in prevention and management.

Katy and Jeannette explain how contracting muscles can pull glucose directly into working cells during exercise—a powerful but site-specific effect—and how long-term training reshapes muscle to take up glucose more efficiently.

They also compare the blood sugar benefits of endurance exercise, resistance training, HIIT, stretching, and even light daily movement. Along the way, they highlight two key scenarios: insulin resistance linked to excess weight and inflammation, versus insulin resistance driven by low muscle mass in people with normal weight. For the latter, they stress why resistance training—or “big body work”—is especially essential.

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CHAPTERS 

0:06:00 - Definitions 

0:16:00 - The Dynamic Collective 

0:17:00 - You Can’t Exercise Off Diabetes 

0:20:00 - Muscle is the Key Tissue (and the Liver)

0:36:30 - Stretching & Light Activity 

0:47:00 - Exercise Modality for Blood Sugar Regulation

0:54:25 - Listener Question on Lupus brought to you by Peluva 

1:09:09 - Blood Sugar Spikes During Exercise

BOOKS & RESEARCH PAPERS

My Perfect Movement Plan by Katy Bowman
I know I should Exercise, But... by Diana Hill & Katy Bowman
Exercise and GLUT4 by Flores-Opazo et al (2020) 

Mechanisms of endurance and resistance exercise in type 2 diabetes by Zhao et al (2025) 
Sedentary behaviour as a mediator of type 2 diabetes by Hamilton et al (2015) 

Impact of reduced sitting time or increasing sit-to-stand transitions on blood pressure and glucose regulation in Postmenopausal women by Hartman et al (2025) 

The impact of standing desks on cardiometabolic and vascular health by Bodker et al (2021)

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Neuro-optometrist Dr. Appelbaum breaks down the crucial difference between eyesight—what you can see—and vision—how your brain interprets what you see and turns it into action. Together, they explore the striking parallels between physical and visual health, highlighting how prolonged screen time and visual inactivity can stiffen our eye muscles just like sedentary habits stiffen our joints. Focusing on screens all day is like clenching your fist nonstop—leading to eye strain, headaches, and long-term issues like poor eye coordination, which can affect depth perception, balance, and even increase the risk of falls.

The conversation covers everything from visual tics and dry eyes to how vision is connected to musculoskeletal alignment and behavior—and even offers a glimpse into the future of eye health in our tech-heavy world. Dr. Appelbaum also shares how anyone can improve visual stamina and flexibility, and Katy and Jeannette reflect on their personal experience with his online program ScreenFit—a movement program for your eyes!

Dr Appelbaum is offering our listeners $200 off ScreenFit using code MOVEYOURDNA: https://bit.ly/moveyourdnaSF

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CHAPTERS
00:03:10 - Introducing Dr. Appelbaum 

00:09:30 - Impacts of Screens on Vision  

00:25:30 -  Unlocking Vision Potential Through Exercise - ScreenFit 

00:41:00 - Listener Question on Dry Eyes brought to you by Earth Runners  

00:50:40 - The Future of the Screen Time/Vision Connection

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My Perfect Movement Plan by Katy Bowman

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Biomechanist Katy Bowman and biologist Jeannette Loram talk about rucking—walking with weight on your back—and other modes of carrying. They touch on the evolutionary history of carrying, carrying in modern Hunter Gatherer populations, rucking in the military and the benefits of fitness rucking. 

Jeannette and Katy focus on the challenges associated with rucking particularly pain and discomfort. They explain how different body adjustments—like leaning forward, arching the back, or shifting the hips forward—are responses to offset the backward-pulling force of a heavy load. These shifts help accommodate the extra mass, but if a single adjustment is done repetitively or without muscular support through the core, pain can be the result. 

Listen in to discover a more varied and mindful approach to managing your ruck; your low back will thank you!

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CHAPTERS  

00:06:00 - The Dynamic Collective 

00:07:00 -  Are Humans Born to Carry? 

00:13:00 - Phases of Life and Issues with Fitness Rucking and Carrying in General  

00:26:00 - What's Holding You Up? Mindfulness in Rucking  

00:38:45 -  Listener Question about broken bones, brought to you by Ikaria Design  

00:49:00 - A Conversation Between Katy and Jeannette: What Is the Big Movement Question? 

BOOKS, ARTICLES AND RESEARCH MENTIONED

My Perfect Movement Plan by Katy Bowman
Pain-Free Baby Holding by Katy Bowman
Trunk Muscle Activity In Different Modes of Carrying by Motmans et al 2006
Bone Density and Intramedullary Rods by Kroger et al 2002

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How you get dressed might be impacting the way that you move or the movement choices you are able to make. 

Katy Bowman and Jeannette Loram highlight how stiff or excessively baggy clothing might be ‘casting’ movement. On the flip side ‘stabilizing’ wear like well-designed bras and compressive garments can make movement more comfortable for certain activities. Katy offers advice on how to dress for multiple scenarios: the movement that you plan to do, the spontaneous movements that you might want to do, as well as all the other things you need to do in a day.

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CHAPTERS

00:06:00 - The Dynamic Collective 

00:07:09 - Definitions and Categories of Clothing 

00:17:30 - Compressive Garments 

00:25:23 - Listener Question brought to you by Venn Design 

00:31:23 - How do you get dressed in the morning 

00:40:31 - Interview with Mira from Sweet Skins

BOOKS, ARTICLES AND RESEARCH MENTIONED

Influence of Compression Garments on Proprioception by Ghai et al 2024
Grow Wild by Katy Bowman

RESOURCES

Minimal Shoes, The List
Movement Matters: Clothes

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If you have heard about eccentric exercise but are unsure of the benefits, what it is or how to do it, this episode is your primer! 

Eccentric muscle contractions generate more force with less energy than other types of muscle contraction and are therefore one of the best ways to get stronger. The mechanism of eccentric contraction within the muscle is a little complicated but Katy offers a simple analogy involving two hair combs! 

Katy and Jeannette offer some examples of how you can incorporate eccentrics into your movement plan with the empowering message that you can get a lot stronger doing only half an exercise. Can’t do a pull-up? Not a problem, train the eccentric half of the movement—lowering down from the pull-up bar—and you will reap the strength rewards. ¢

Also in this episode, Katy speaks with Pack Matthews of Ikaria Design and creator of the Soul Seat®, the original and adjustable cross-legged chair. Katy is using one for her podcast set up and she and Pack talk about the origin of the chair, how the design has changed over time and Katy’s experience with it.  

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CHAPTERS

(0:07:08) - Muscle Contraction: Three types 

(0:15:56) - Sarcomere: Actin, Myosin, and Titin 

(0:26:57) - Get Stronger Doing Half of an Exercise 

(0:41:00) - Listener Question: 'use it or lose it' brought to you by Earth Runners  

(0:47:40) - Interview with Pack Matthews of Ikaria Design 

BOOKS, ARTICLES AND RESEARCH MENTIONED

Want to Get Stronger and Avoid Injury, Try This, New York Times article on eccentrics
Eccentrics: Get Stronger Doing Half Of An Exercise, Katy Bowman
The Chair by Galen Cranz

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A deeper look into three recent headlines in the body-nerd world. First up, recent research has shown that our skeletal muscles remember training at the protein level - no brain required! This is exciting research and Katy and Jeannette discuss the implications for exercise over the lifespan. Second, they dig into a recent study of uphill walking; the research suggests it is cheaper to take the steeper route, but energy efficiency might not be the only consideration. Finally in response to the online noise about recent changes to the CDC developmental guidelines, Katy and Jeannette explain what has really changed and whether it should have caused such an upset.

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CHAPTERS

02:50 - Muscle Memory  

17:12 - Steeper is Cheaper  

28:02 - Changes in the CDC milestones  

43:22 - Listener Question sponsored by Peluva:  Is it inevitable that our body and parts wear out? 

ARTICLES AND RESEARCH MENTIONED

New Explanation of Muscle Memory in Science Daily
Skeletal Muscle Proteomic Memory by Hulmi et al (2025)
Steeper is Cheaper in Outside Magazine
Graded Walking Energetics by Looney et al (2025)
CDC Developmental Guidelines
Evidence Informed Milestones by Zubler et al (2022)

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