On episode seventy four of Holy Ghost Notes, Matt and Tim joke about what gets them “pumped up”, then spend some time talking about the heartbreaking loss of the late, great, Taylor Hawkins. Matt shares about his struggle writing for the new August Burns Red album, which launches them into the topic of persistency. They talk about the value of being persistent and share some realistic ways to approach frustrating and difficult periods in drumming. To round it out, the guys share a few stories while exploring the concept of obedience, and discover some things about themselves in the process.