How do we do the most good? Answers popular in the Rationality and effective altruism spaces can be helpful in some ways, but could also be radically misframing the issue in others. Here Anna Riedl joins me to discuss more of what she means by an "autopoiethics" approach to the topic, which takes seriously the implications of complex systems science for understanding "doing the right thing" in context.

0:00 Introduction

1:51 Autopoiethics

5:34 On "Doing the Right Thing" at Different Scales

11:01 Metamodern Ethics beyond the "View from Nowhere"

17:01 The Normative Primacy of Self-Maintenance

20:55 The Relation of Self to Others

28:56 Autopoiethics and Intersubjectivity: The Other in the Self

34:58 Does Complexity Have Intrinsic Value?

40:17 Complexify Self to Complexify Other

47:21 Your Starbucks Receipt and Schindler's List

51:20 Moral Foundations Theory and Opponent Processing

58:36 Ethics and Relevance Realization

1:05:42 Bottom Up or Top Down? A Counter-Argument from Emergent Causality

1:17:29 Summing Up

1:23:47 Conclusion

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