#84 Training Pack Animals for Extreme Terrain (2025)

Exploring the Role of Mules in Military Operations and Disaster Relief with Mike Toberer. 

In this episode of High Strangeness, host Tony explores the unconventional yet pivotal role of mules in military operations and disaster relief efforts. Guest Mike Tober from Mountain Mule Packers Ranch in North Carolina joins the conversation to share insights into his company's work, which includes training special forces to pack equipment using mules. The discussion delves into the logistics and challenges of using mules for missions in difficult terrains, the unique attributes of mules, and how they have been instrumental in disaster relief during events like Hurricane Helene. The episode also covers the nonprofit arm, Mission Mules, which deploys quickly to assist in disaster-stricken areas by leveraging volunteers and public support. The session concludes by highlighting the therapeutic and community-building aspects of mule packing and encouraging audience involvement. 

00:00 Introduction and Initial Setup 

00:26 Welcome to High Strangeness 

01:14 Meet Mike Tober from Mountain Mule Packer Ranch 

01:52 The Origin of Mountain Mule Packers 

04:12 Understanding Mules 

05:53 Mules in Disaster Relief 

09:29 Military vs. Civilian Mule Packing 

12:45 Training Mules and Handlers 

25:50 Mission Mules Nonprofit 

30:45 Utilizing Technology in Mule Operations 

32:18 The Role and Prevalence of Mules in the US 

33:59 Challenges and Emotional Impact of Mule Operations 

35:45 Health and Welfare of Mules and Handlers 

38:12 Emergency Protocols and Equipment 

43:33 Future of Mule Packing in Military and Survival Operations 

49:15 Company Overview and Services 

55:20 Becoming a Mule Packer and Volunteer Opportunities 

57:20 Final Thoughts and Contact Information

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