Lauren Brownlow is in for Joe Ovies this week with Adam Eshbaugh and Wayne Holt, as they sit down and talk to Botanist and Barrel's Kether Smith, Deric McGuffey and Jon Simpson. Smith and McGuffey both have culinary roots and they talk about their unique process to make ciders, wines and sours as Orange County's first winery and cidery. Then, the group also tackles the Untappd beer festival in Charlotte and what went wrong.

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