Intro: Contra – This Machine Kills (remixed) https://contra805.bandcamp.com/track/this-machine-kills

We’re joined by two of the sharpest minds on the politics of AI and data governance—Meredith Whittaker and Salomé Viljoen—to chat about the relationship between corporate gatekeepers and academic research, the construction and infrastructure of data, AI as a universal hammer for all nails, how the state enforces Silicon Valley’s power, and what it would take to seize the data pipeline from private capital for the public good.

This discussion expands on a recent article we published in Nature: Everyone should decide how their digital data are used—not just tech companies | Jathan Sadowski, Salomé Viljoen, Meredith Whittaker: nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01812-3

Salomé’s profile: law.columbia.edu/faculty/salome-viljoen

And Twitter: twitter.com/salome_viljoen_

Meredith’s profile: ainowinstitute.org/people/meredith-whittaker.html

And Twitter: twitter.com/mer__edith

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Hosted by Jathan Sadowski (twitter.com/jathansadowski) and Edward Ongweso Jr. (twitter.com/bigblackjacobin). Production / Music by Jereme Brown (twitter.com/braunestahl)