Mississippi State music history professor Dr. Ryan Ross joins Josh to talk about his journey—from thinking he could never support Trump, to voting for him in the last election, and now back to not being able to support him anymore.

They get into why they both voted for Trump in the first place, what made them feel like they had to, and the buyer's remorse that came after. They also talk about how a lot of traditional conservatives and independents feel the same way—like there's no real home left in either of the two major parties. They have both become so terrible that neither one deserves their vote or support.

Ryan and Josh also discuss what it's like being a conservative professor in a very woke, liberal academic world. Ryan shares some of the struggles he's had just trying to teach music history in a straight forward historically accurate way.

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00:00 Welcome + Meet Prof. Ryan Ross (Never Trump → Trump → Never Trump) 03:54 Navigating Academia as a Conservative: Tolerance, Tenure & Self-Censorship 06:22 Generational Shift & Political Toxicity in the Humanities 08:38 Teaching Without Indoctrination: Leaving Politics at the Door 09:57 Why He Was Never Trump in 2016: Fitness, Merit & Populism Concerns 12:18 Distrust of Power: Primaries, Politicians, and a Rigged System 14:46 What Finally Pushed Him to Vote Trump: Border, Wokeness, and Lawfare 18:34 Josh's Breaking Point: Jan 6, COVID Lockdowns, Censorship & Russia Narrative 23:10 After the Win: Spending Cuts, Epstein Files, and Growing Regret 27:13 Tribes vs. Individualism: How Collectivism Fuels Groupthink 40:45 So Who Do You Vote For Now? Disillusionment After Trump 42:11 Breaking the Two-Party Trap: Third Parties, Write-Ins, and 'No' Votes 44:37 Clean Conscience Voting: Peace of Mind Over 'Wasted Vote' Claims 46:55 King for a Day: End Deficit Spending to Protect Liberty 48:41 Wrap-Up & Call to Action: Join, Share, and Send Candidate Leads