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After four years and nearly 100 episodes of exploring what it means to build trust on purpose, we're coming to you today with a different kind of conversation; one that's deeply personal and one of the hardest we've had.

Ila shares why she's stepping away from the podcast, and Charles reflects on what these four years of partnership, friendship, and shared commitment to trust have meant. This is two people who have walked each other through profound conversations about vulnerability, care, and what it means to show up authentically, now navigating a significant transition together.

We built this community believing that trust is something we choose to cultivate intentionally, especially in moments of uncertainty and change. Today, we're living that truth.

We talk about what we've learned from each other, from our guests, and from you, our listeners, who have been part of this journey. We share what Ila will carry forward from this work, and how Charles will continue the conversations about trust in new ways.

This episode is about gratitude. It's about honouring what has been while making space for what needs to come next. It's about trusting the process, even when it's not the one we would have chosen.

Thank you for being part of our story. Thank you for trusting us with yours.

With deep appreciation and love, Charles & Ila

We want to thank the team that continues to support us in producing, editing and sharing our work. Jonah Smith for the heartfelt intro music you hear at the beginning of each podcast. We LOVE it. Hillary Rideout for writing descriptions, designing covers and helping us share our work on social media. Chad Penner for his superpower editing work to take our recordings from bumpy and glitchy to smooth and easy to listen to episodes for you to enjoy. From our hearts, we are so thankful for this team and the support they provide us.