Cognitive psychologist and DARPA program manager John Blitch has a long history engaged in classified work. In his private life, he is also a lifelong close encounter witness, and this show marks the first time someone with his credentials and experience has ever discussed their close encounters with a fellow public witness. Listen and watch as John and Whitley go deep into the experience, which includes a discussion of why people like Special Forces Operator Jake Barber have said that they shoot down UAP, and Whitley's amazing response to that admission. Don't miss this historic edition of Dreamland!