In this episode of Cosmosis, Jay Christopher King sits down with historian and esoteric scholar Mitch Horowitz for a wide-ranging conversation about magic, consciousness, and the anomalous. He is the author of numerous books Occult America, The Miracle Club, and Practical Magick, Mitch is a singular voice who bridges the academy, pop culture, and the esoteric underground with rare clarity and rigor.

Together, they explore:

This episode offers a powerful invitation to take magic seriously—not as superstition, but as a methodology of intention, experimentation, and meaning-making. Whether you’re a seasoned practitioner or an experiencer just starting to make sense of your reality, Mitch’s grounded, historically informed approach opens new doors.

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04:55 Diving into the Conversation with Mitch Horowitz
05:20 Exploring the Intersection of Magic and Ufology
23:01 Mitch Horowitz's Journey into Magic
26:51 Ethics and Practical Magic
37:08 Introduction to Sil Magic
37:51 Origins and Practice of Sil Magic
39:30 The Role of Climax in Sil Magic
41:26 Anarchic Magic and Deity Petition
43:55 Exploring Sex Magic
48:48 Sex Transmutation Techniques
52:19 Backwards Causation and Time
01:06:10 Parapsychology and JB Rhine's Experiments
01:11:19 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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In this special episode of Cosmosis, Kelly Chase presents an updated version of her 2025 Contact in the Desert keynote, “UFO Narrative Wars: Weaponized Belief in the Age of Disclosure.” This talk goes beyond the surface of the UFO phenomenon to explore the hidden architecture of secrecy and the sophisticated mechanics of narrative control.

Drawing from deep research into intelligence tradecraft, counterintelligence, and disinformation—along with firsthand interactions with members of the intelligence community—Kelly unpacks how belief itself becomes a weapon in the battle for truth. From psychological operations to perception management, from limited hangouts to the “secret onion” model of secrecy, this episode reveals how our search for answers is being actively shaped, steered, and contained.

But this isn’t a story about villains. It’s a call to responsibility. Kelly challenges listeners to reclaim their intellectual sovereignty, resist easy answers, and build discernment in an information landscape designed to confuse. Whether you're a skeptic, experiencer, journalist, or just UFO-curious, this talk will change how you see not just the phenomenon—but the stories we tell about it.

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TIMESTAMPS

02:55 The Role of Intelligence in UFO Narratives

07:42 The Complexity of Secrecy and Perception Management

16:08 The Secret Onion: Layers of Deception

26:35 The Scale and Impact of Institutionalized Secrecy

37:31 Heroes, Villains, and Controlled Opposition

45:58 The Power of Sincere Belief

48:10 The Hero Trap in UFO Narratives

50:47 Counterintelligence and Narrative Control

54:14 The 80-20 Rule in Disinformation

55:49 Limited Hangouts and Perception Management

01:00:54 Character Assassination and Narrative Flooding

01:08:03 The Weaponization of Belief

01:14:50 Reclaiming Intellectual Sovereignty

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Today we’re sharing a special preview of a brand-new podcast called Gods, Ghosts, & UFOs—a show that explores the haunted edges of human experience, where the spiritual, the supernatural, and the anomalous collide.

This preview episode is split into two parts. In the first half, Kelly joins hosts Jordan, Mallory, and Tom for an intimate and wide-ranging conversation about the cultural impact of the UFO phenomenon, the power of storytelling, and what it means to navigate a world where the boundaries of reality are breaking down.

In the second half, enjoy another episode preview where the GGU team explores abductions, Sky Watcher’s “living taxonomy” of UAP, the James Webb telescope’s latest anomalies, and what it means to stay curious in a world fraying at the seams.

If you love Cosmosis, you're going to find a lot to sink your teeth into here.

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Kelly and Jay sit down for an unfiltered conversation about the deeply weird, emotionally charged relationships that are forming between people and their AI chatbots. What begins as a discussion about ChatGPT’s rapid evolution unfolds into something stranger—a reflection on the ways AI flatters, gaslights, and co-creates identity with its users.

They explore:

Is this just the next phase of human-AI interaction—or is something deeper emerging? And most importantly: what happens to us if we outsource being seen?

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02:08 Personal Experiences with Chat GPT
02:21 The Evolution of AI Models
03:10 AI as a Personal Confidant
04:52 Emotional Manipulation by AI
06:22 The Future of Human-AI Interaction
08:41 Authenticity and Vulnerability in AI Interactions
18:09 The Role of AI in Social Engineering
22:51 AI and the Human Psyche
33:18 Algorithmic Influence on Human Behavior
35:13 Exploring Multiverse Shifting
35:41 Comic Books and Multiverse Fascination
37:04 Anomalous Experiences and Fictional Characters
38:44 Meditation and Non-Human Entity Contact
41:23 The Role of Co-Creation in Our Lives
43:28 The Power and Danger of Delusion
44:51 Manifestation and Occult Practices
48:31 Chat GPT and Emotional Manipulation
57:26 The Future of AI and Human Interaction
59:34 Authenticity in Human Connections
01:03:50 Concluding Thoughts and Reflections

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In this episode, researcher and Loose Threads co-author Daniel Elizondo joins us for a far-reaching conversation about UFO secrecy, the architecture of disinformation, and the psychological terrain of the phenomenon itself.

We dig into Jacques Vallée’s “Secret Onion”—a layered model of compartmentalization that explains how information is controlled and obscured within intelligence structures—and explore how narrative control operates both externally through infotainment and internally through belief, seduction, and epistemic vulnerability.

Daniel breaks down the long history of rug pulls, the weaponization of mystery, and what it means to resist the gravitational pull of being “the one” to break the story. We also talk Forbidden Science, Skywatcher, and the invisible handshake between researchers and the phenomenon they seek to understand.

If you’ve ever wondered who controls the narrative—or if you’re part of it—this episode is for you.

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02:24 Sky Watcher and UFO Community Skepticism
08:48 Historical Precedents in UFO Disclosure
10:30 The Holloman Air Force Base Incident
14:35 Challenges in UFO Disclosure and Infotainment
21:45 Personal Experiences and Intelligence Community Interactions
30:58 Navigating the Insider's Club and Forbidden Science
33:08 The Repeated Revelations of Jacques Vallee
35:25 The Evolution of the Invisible College
39:57 The Secret Onion: Layers of Secrecy
49:46 The Phenomenon and Human Curiosity
56:57 The Control Mechanism: Micro and Macro Perspectives
01:01:45 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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Fresh from the Archives of the Impossible conference at Rice University, Kelly and Jay sit down to unpack one of the most talked-about moments of the weekend—a provocative presentation by Dr. Garry Nolan on his involvement with the Skywatcher initiative.

Skywatcher is an emerging public-facing effort claiming to demonstrate CE5-style contact, utilize psionic assets, with the aim of potentially reverse-engineering non-human technologies. The implications are enormous—and so are the questions.

In this wide-ranging, deeply reflective conversation, Kelly and Jay explore:

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02:18 Exploring Sky Watcher's Initiatives
03:38 Jake Barber's Revelations
05:22 CE-5 and Public Disclosure
07:16 Community Reactions and Ethical Questions
15:39 Garry Nolan's Scientific Perspective
20:56 Technological Worldview and Ethical Implications
30:03 Heidegger's Philosophy and Technology
39:20 The Value of Human Life in a Technological Age
40:17 The Ethical Implications of Technological Intelligence
43:55 The Concept of Hyper Objects and UFO Phenomena
45:54 The Great Filter and Technological Surveillance
47:52 The Role of Experience in Understanding Phenomena
51:19 The Spectacle and Mediated Reality
56:09 Dwelling vs. Dominating: A Philosophical Approach To Contact
01:05:31 The Importance of Bracketing in Phenomenology
01:07:57 Balancing Speed and Methodology in Disclosure
01:11:00 Concluding Thoughts and Future Directions

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In this mind-bending episode of Cosmosis, Kelly Chase and Jay Christopher King take you to the frontlines of one of the most disorienting—and revealing—aspects of the UFO phenomenon: time.

From the baffling 1977 disappearance of Corporal Armando Valdés in Chile, to the unnerving time anomalies reported by abductees like Lynda Jones, this episode explores the unnerving possibility that the phenomenon isn’t just moving through space—but manipulating time itself.

We dive deep into the emerging science of time as an emergent property, explore the implications of the Extratempestrial Model with insights from Dr. Michael P. Masters, and examine the evidence for time loops, missing time, reality edits, and the infamous Mandela Effect. Drawing from the latest physics, groundbreaking experiencer data, and real-world cases, this episode reframes UFO encounters not as visits from “out there,” but as incursions from “elsewhen.”

Are non-human intelligences using time as a tool, a language—or even a weapon? Could we be caught in a war for the timeline itself? And if so… who is writing the story of our future?

Reality may not be what it seems. And time might not be on anyone’s side.

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00:00 Mysterious Encounter in the Atacama Desert
03:25 Introduction to Time Anomalies
05:00 The Nature of Time
09:06 Einstein's Theory and the Block Universe
10:35 Quantum Mechanics and Time
13:24 Implications for Anomalous Experiences
14:18 Lynda Jones' Encounter
19:21 The Extratempestrial Model
21:13 Time Travel Possibilities
24:54 Time Anomalies in Encounters
27:10 The Silence of Encounters
29:31 The Mystery of Missing Time
30:19 Burns and Radiation
32:43 Impossible Movements: The Physics of UFOs
35:19 The Greys: Future Humans or Extraterrestrials?
39:22 Longitudinal Studies and Genetic Programs
42:14 The Men in Black: Government Agents or Something Else?
47:46 The Mandela Effect: Glitches in the Timeline
52:06 Time Loops and Precognition
56:22 Synchronicity and the Shape of Our Stories
57:51 Conclusion: The Deeper Reality of UFOs and Time

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In this episode of Cosmosis, we share a never-before-released talk by Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka, recorded live at the Inquire Anomalous conference in New York City. Diana—religious studies professor and author of American Cosmic and Encounters—takes us on an astonishing journey through her research into Catholic mysticism, Vatican archives, and modern UFO contact experiences.

From levitating saints and the mysterious Woman in Blue to redacted mystical narratives and the ontological shock of encountering the impossible, Diana reveals surprising links between ancient religious experiences and contemporary reports of contact with non-human intelligences. She also speaks candidly about her own transformation, the eerie resonances between the sacred and the anomalous, and her collaboration with figures like Tyler D. and Dr. Garry Nolan on the frontier of space, consciousness, and belief.

This episode includes the full live Q&A with Diana—where she responds to insightful (and sometimes wild) audience questions about redaction, religious symbolism, and whether spiritual devotion might offer protection from malevolent entities.

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06:10 Exploring Ascent Narratives and UFOs
08:37 Investigating Vatican Archives and Levitation
12:28 Comparing Historical and Modern Phenomena
21:40 Theresa of Avila's Angel Event
28:42 Synchronicities and Childhood Beliefs
29:39 Meeting Edward Carlos: An Experiencer's Story
31:10 The Process of Redaction
32:54 Historical Context and Space Programs
35:30 St. Francis of Assisi's Angel Experience
42:50 Q&A Session
53:15 Closing Remarks and Resources

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For fans of the old school deep dives from The UFO Rabbit Hole, this episode is for you. 

For many, the biggest challenge in engaging with UFOs, NHIs, and the anomalous isn’t a lack of evidence, but the nature of the evidence itself. The best data we have comes from experiencers—those who have directly encountered the unknown. But their stories are often so strange, so far outside of our frameworks, that even the most open-minded struggle with how to approach them.

In this episode, Kelly Chase and Jay Christopher King take on this challenge head-on, exploring:

🔹 Why experiencer testimony is the most important—and most misunderstood—source of insight into the phenomenon
🔹 The impact of memory, trauma, and perception on anomalous encounters
🔹 How bias, belief systems, and cultural stigma shape the UFO narrative
🔹 The role of consciousness in contact phenomena—and why reality may be stranger than we think
🔹 How to listen to experiencer narratives with both discernment and radical openness

We also examine cutting-edge models from Jacques Vallée, Eric Davis, Diana Pasulka, Jeffrey Kripal, James Madden, and others, to uncover new ways of understanding the impossible.

This episode isn’t just about listening—it’s about learning to perceive the phenomenon in an entirely new way.

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Mentioned in This Episode
📖 American Cosmic by Diana Walsh Pasulka – [https://a.co/d/fYxuZ2m]
📖 Unidentified Flying Hyper Object by James Madden – [https://a.co/d/iVOtkYA]
📖 The Case Against Reality by Donald Hoffman – [https://a.co/d/4yKbKNa]
📖 Hyperobjects: Philosophy and Ecology After the End of the World by Timothy Morton – [https://a.co/d/i8u1qaz]
📖 Incommensurability, Orthodoxy, and the Physics of High Strangeness by Jacques Vallée & Eric Davis – [Read here: https://www.academia.edu/36788970/Incommensurability_Orthodoxy_and_the_Physics_of_High_Strangeness_A_six_layer_model_for_Anomalous_Phenomena]
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03:23 The Challenge of UFO Testimonies
04:35 The Nature of Extraordinary Evidence
06:31 The Complexity of Experiencer Narratives
13:08 The Role of Trauma and Memory
14:29 The Experiencer Group and Its Mission
15:41 Subjectivity and Inconsistencies in Reports
19:01 The Bigger Picture of Anomalous Experiences
21:40 Philosophical Perspectives on Truth and Reality
25:45 Quantum Mechanics and Anomalous Experiences
28:29 Frameworks for Understanding the Phenomenon
29:57 The Concept of Redaction in UFO Narratives
32:44 The Nature of Redaction in UFO Testimonies
34:05 Navigating Redaction in Experiencer Testimonies
37:05 The Six-Layer Model of Anomalous Phenomena
44:16 The Filter Thesis and Anomalous Experiences
48:53 Trauma, Mental Health, and Substance Abuse in Experiencers
53:55 Hyperobjects and the Nature of UFO Phenomena
56:55 Semiotics and the Interpretation of Anomalous Encounters
01:00:44 Conclusion: Embracing the Unknown

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In this gripping continuation of our conversation with legendary author and experiencer Whitley Strieber, we venture even deeper into the nature of the Visitors—what they are, how they relate to time, and what it truly means to engage with an intelligence that exists just beyond the limits of human comprehension.

This episode challenges the boundaries of our understanding as Whitley explores:
🔹 The role of human consciousness in shaping contact phenomena
🔹 Why the living and the dead must work together to reach the next stage of evolution
🔹 The hidden reality of telepathic communication and its profound implications
🔹 How social engineering and stigma have shaped the UFO narrative—and why that’s changing
🔹 The military’s secret interest in experiencers and the possible manipulation of contact phenomena

Whitley also shares deeply personal insights into his own experiences, the afterlife, and the unseen forces at play in our reality. This is a conversation that demands reflection, openness, and a willingness to embrace the unknown.

📖 The Fourth Mind by Whitley Strieber – https://a.co/d/3Tj8G2i
📚 Them by Whitley Strieber – https://a.co/d/gqYziUQ
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Introduction 
03:46 Clip from Cosmosis: UFOs and a New Reality
05:45 The Role of Human Consciousness in Encounters
06:26 Historical and Cultural Context of Encounters
11:31 The Importance of Telepathy
12:31 Challenges in Understanding and Acceptance
13:51 Navigating Disinformation and Manipulation
27:15 Personal Experiences and Integration
33:02 The Stigma and Scientific Resistance
53:18 Final Thoughts and Future Directions

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