Episode #523: The fourth episode in our five-part series brings you conversations recorded at the 16th International Burma Studies Conference at Northern Illinois University, where scholars, students, researchers, and practitioners convened around the theme Dealing with Legacies in Burma. Held amid ongoing political turmoil and humanitarian crisis, the gathering became a rare space for open dialogue, reflection, and communal care. Insight Myanmar was invited into this environment to record discussions with a wide range of attendees, produced in partnership with NIU’s Center for Southeast Asian Studies. Through these episodes, we hope to carry listeners into the atmosphere of the conference and into dialogue with the people who continue to shape the field today.

Our first guest is H, who describes returning to Myanmar from the United States in 2019, hoping to contribute during what looked like a period of national progress. But the 2021 coup shattered his hopes. Like many others, H joined the protests, and witnessed severe brutality, including shootings, beatings, and soldiers forcing a man to crawl while stomping his head. Eventually, he was arrested and spent three days in an interrogation camp marked by torture and psychological stress, followed by three months in Insein Prison. There, political prisoners supported each other and exchanged ideas, which deeply shaped him. Released amid international pressure, H lived in fear of rearrest before deciding to leave Myanmar. Now abroad, he continues supporting the movement while coping with survivor’s guilt and a strong conviction that the military must be removed for the country to have a future.

Next, political scientist Tani Sebro discusses her long-term research on the Tai (Shan) people living along the Thai–Myanmar border. Initially studying migrant returns through standard research methods, she shifted her focus after witnessing a vibrant cultural renaissance in temples in Chiang Mai, where migrants, refugees, and exiles practiced dance, music, and ritual arts. When she joined the dancing herself, relationships with community members changed, allowing her to engage with them through shared joy rather than extractive questioning. Sebro explains that dance provides emotional healing, communal cohesion, and a politically safe way to sustain Tai nationhood when open political organization is dangerous. Because Myanmar restricted Tai language instruction, performing arts became crucial for cultural survival. Sebro closes with her teacher’s belief that dance offers a peaceful way for the nation to endure without violence.