Karen and Kat discuss two very intense cases involving stalkers. One's that claimed to have "true love" even though was not reciprocated.

On this episode Karen and Kat delve into some of the crimes that they think have some of the most surprising elements. Also included is a decently long rant at the end of the podcast, so enjoy.

This episode is all about conspiracy to commit murder. From lovers to hitmen this episode has it all. Take a ride with Karen as she goes over the cases of Opal Williams and Elizabeth "Ma" Duncan, then join Kat as she retells the story of America's Bloodiest Hitman, Jose Manuel Martinez.

Karen and Kat give their introductions, how they became fascinated with true crime and their favorite murders.