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A Nudge Into Discomfort (Episode 89)


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Okay, Y'all. You have heard us talk about allyship before, but what does it really mean to become an ally? What does that process look like? This week, using Melinda Briana Epler's stages of allyship, Shaunna and Lisa discuss the journey to becoming an ideal ally - and the tangible actions you can take to do so.

Nowadays, it seems like you are either a "raggedy-ass ally" as Shaunna puts it, OR you are out there marching on Washington every single weekend. Things seem a little too black and white for our liking. From denier to activist, Epler's circular figure allows for an understanding of allyship on a continuum. For our first episode of Pride Month, Shaunna and Lisa uncover the stages of allyship, and how kindness can hinder growth.

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