Foreign Minister Penny Wong has hinted that Australia might recognise Palestinian statehood. It's a significant move, politically, but will it have any impact on what's happening on the ground in Gaza?

Hamish and Geraldine sit down with Tirana Hassan, the Australian who has just become head of Human Rights Watch, to discuss this, and whether we'll ever see Nuremberg-style justice for the war crimes being perpetrated around the world today.

Guest: Tirana Hassan - Executive Director, Human Rights Watch

Note: The Israeli Embassy has been contacted for comment.

Recommendations:

Geraldine - watching: The Cold War of Spies, docuseries on SBS on Demand

Hamish - reading: Tonnes of food is stuck on Gaza’s border while the enclave nears famine FT Visual Story

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