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Margit Detweiler is the epitome of cool. A survivor of ovarian cancer, she embraced her post-chemo white hair, styled it into a punk pixie, and sealed it with a bold lip. But her coolness goes far deeper than her outward style. Margit is the founder of TueNight, a platform dedicated to amplifying the stories of Gen-X women, and president of Gyrate Media, an award-winning content strategy and editorial development firm. This three-time Webby honoree gave us her honest opinion on the term "Grandfluencers", offered reccomendations for what music we should be listening to right now, and helped us debate the true meaning of "wet leg". Most importantly, she inspired us with a term she learned from Gina Pell: we will heretofore be known as Perennials, because we are always blooming.

Handles and sites
TueNight website
TueNight social and TueDo List
TueNight Insta
TueNight facebook
TueNight twitter
Margit Insta
Margit facebook
Gyrate Media


Show Notes
6 doctors swallowed Lego heads for science. Here's what came out
Deborah Darling
What Went Wrong with Iris Apfel?
The What
Better Things on FX
Somebody Somewhere on HBO
Yola
Wet Leg
Shonen Knife

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Julia G Wellness
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March is Sleep Awareness Month. Who knew? Our new favorite sleep expert knew! Morgan Adams is a holistic sleep coach for women, whose clients refer to her as their "sleep soulmate". Poor sleep is one of the major complaints we hear from women in midlife, and Morgan offers us potential solutions that are easy to implement and won't cost you a dime. If you're like us, you have tried everything to get the kind of sleep you got in your youth, so it's well worth listening to Morgan talk about the difference between natural sleep and the kind you get when you take a sleeping pill, how what you eat and when you eat it can affect your sleep, and how that glass of wine that makes you feel tired is actually detrimental to your sleep quality. We also discuss our most recurring anxiety dreams, confusing a bottle of vitamins for a glass of water, and our brand new Tik Tok account. (Do not take an Ambien before listening to this episode.)

Handles and sites
Morgan Adams website
Morgan Adams facebook
Morgan Adams Insta
Morgan Adams LinkedIn
New! Follow us on Tik Tok

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Show Notes
Menopause is More Than Just a Punchline by Sue Carter
Sleep Hygiene Tips from the CDC
https://www.sleepfoundation.org/sleep-hygiene
Constructive Worry Exercise Worksheet
Quit Like a Woman by Holly Whitaker
Why We Sleep by Matthew Walker, PhD
4-7-8 Breathing Technique
Oura Ring Sleep Tracker
The four Tendencies by Gretchen Rubin

Other Fun Things
Erin's Faces Affiliate Link
Julia G Wellness

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Ricki Lake (yes, THAT Ricki Lake) and Abby Epstein have worked together on some groundbreaking documentaries which you should watch immediately if you haven't yet done so. The Business of Being Born changed the way we looked at birthing options and medical interventions, and their most recent collaboration, The Business of Birth Control, examines the complex relationship between hormonal birth control and women’s health and liberation. Both women are brilliant and down-to-earth, and we loved talking to them about their films, their friendship, and their aging journey. We hope we didn't humiliate ourselves when we asked them to "lick each other's buttholes", which is our weird way of saying "give each other complements". We tried our best to maintain our composure in the presence of artistic geniuses, but you should listen to the episode and let us know how we did.

Handles and sites
The Business of Birth Control website
The Business of Birth Control Facebook
The Business of Birth Control Instagram
Body Literacy Summit
Ricki facebook - @rickilake
Abby facebook - @abbyepstein
Ricki Insta - @rickilake
Abby Insta - @abbyepsteinxoxo

Show Notes
Dr. Lara Briden
Menopause Bootcamp
Suzanne Gilberg-Lenz
Harklinikken

Episode Sponsor
The Furious Trail by Paddy G, Illustrated by Kajsa Hallstrom

Other Links
Purely Elizabeth Affiliate Link
Erin's Faces Affiliate Link
Julia G Wellness

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When Emily Barclay learned that the word "perimenopause" applied to her, she went online to seek out help and support and found that it simply didn’t exist. Instead of dissolving into a pool of her own hormonal tears and sweat, she set up Perimenopause Hub, bringing together experts across different disciplines from around the world and creating a community where women could feel less alone. As if that and her pink and turquoise hair weren't cool enough, she prides herself on having shunned the stereotypical forms of adulting and lives in the UK with her partner, five dogs, and 14 hives of bees. We talk about the importance of tracking your cycle and symptoms, the power of setting boundaries, and how a hug can help when you've run out of cope. They don't call her The Peri-godmother for nothing.

Handles and sites
Perimenopause Hub
Perimenopause Hub facebook group
Perimenopause Hub Insta
Perimenopause Hub twitter
Your Tracking Journal

Show Notes
Perry app
Intrarosa
Burnout by Emily and Amelia Nagaski

Purely Elizabeth Affiliate Link
Erin's Faces Affiliate Link
Julia G Wellness
https://circlingthedrainpodcast.buzzsprout.com/

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We like to think that if we had written a book, it would be Heather Corinna's What Fresh Hell is This?: Perimenopause, Menopause, Other Indignities, and You. Heather writes about "the pause" with all of the humor and realness you would expect from a title like that, but what makes the book so unique is its inclusivity. And if that word makes you think this episode is going to spew preachy wokeness all over you, think again. Heather schools us on things like "ableism" and "othering" without placing preciousness on any of it. In fact, we laugh more than we don't, and a cackle-filled interview is what we consider podcast gold. We also discuss Ellie's latest symptom of itchy skin, and Julia's misdiagnosis of Herpes Simplex 1. So grab your creams and salves and cozy up for a good time.

Handles and sites
Heather's website
Heather's insta
@heather.corinna
Heather's twitter
@heathercorinna
What Fresh Hell Is This?

References
Fresh Hell's Delirium Home Companion
The Madwoman in the Volvo by Sandra Tsing Loh

Friends
Julia G Wellness
Erin's Faces Affiliate Link
Purely Elizabeth Affiliate Link

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There are so many different issues that can affect us in midlife, and it can be frustrating to try and find medical professionals who can address more than one of these at a time. Modern Age is a New York City-based longevity clinic offering expert, proactive care for how you look and how you feel. Here to tell us more about what they offer is Dr. Shoma-Datta-Thomas, whose experience treating complex gynecological conditions has informed her philosophy around providing highly personalized care that combines cosmetic appearance with health optimization. We take a deep dive into many issues, including peeing when you laugh or cough, using Intravaginal Radio Frequency to help alleviate vaginal discomfort , and how, according to Julia, the layered complexities of midlife sex can resemble a stinky onion. We laugh a lot and therefore we pee a lot, so prepare to wet some pants as you listen to this one. Don't say we didn't warn you.

IMPORTANT LINKS
Modern Age
Dr. Shoma Datta-Thomas, MD FACOG
Aging Wellness Assessment
Modern Age Instagram
Modern Age Facebook
Modern Age Tik Tok

SHOW NOTES
Why Doctors Are Studying New Drugs to Treat Women’s Midlife Mood Swings

PRODUCTS AND SERVICES
Erin's Faces Affiliate Link
Purely Elizabeth Affiliate Link
Julia G Wellness

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Listeners... we're really going for it on our year-end wrap-up. At this point, we assume you have been listening regularly and that you don't need us to review every single guest we've loved and every lesson we've learned, so we decided to have a blast going rogue. Join us as we roll a set of sexy dice given to Ellie by her husbo, we review a map of porn fetishes broken down by U.S. state (sent to Julia by HER husband), and perform a dramatic reading of a particularly contentious email exchange with a potential guest who... spoiler alert... never appeared on the show. We also talk about drinking the "Stupid Juice" served to us by the medical community, our biggest surprises of 2022, and reveal some of our plans for 2023. We recommend you listen while wrapping gifts and sipping something that won't hurt if it squirts out of your nose as you laugh. Happy Holidays!

SHOW NOTES
Easy-to-read list of 34 most common peri-menopausal symptoms
Map of US Porn Fetishes
NY Times Article Featuring Dr. Rachel Rubin
Messages from the Menopausal Multiverse by Omisade Burney-Scott
Abortion Access Front
Equality Now

GOODS AND SERVICES
Erin's Faces Affiliate Link
Purely Elizabeth Affiliate Link
Shittens Affiliate Link
Julia G Wellness

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Sari Botton is a bestselling author, editor, and teacher with decades of experience, and we got to benefit from that life experience through engaging in a delightful AF chat with her.  We discuss how the idea for Oldster Magazine came to her in a dream, how it took her a long time to stop people-pleasing and come into her own, and how she uses a multi-purpose cream called Egyptian Magic for a true MULTITUDE of purposes. She also shares how a doctor refused to tell her the proper name for her "spongey uterus" and how she demanded to keep her ovaries in order to avoid going into surgical menopause. You know how we love stories of women advocating for themselves, so listen closely and take note. If the above isn't enough to entice you, listen to us talk about our facial hair/zit/wrinkle combo and how you should NOT put tobacco into your vagina to quit smoking. (But you knew that, right?)

Sari's Handles and Such
Sari Botton's website
Sari's Insta
Sari's Facebook
Sari's twitter
Oldster Magazine
Sari's books on Bookshop

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Show Notes
Don't Use Chewing Tobacco in the Vagina for Smoking Cessation by Dr. Jen Gunter
Quit Like a Woman by Holly Whitaker
Allen Carr's Easy Way for Women to Quit Drinking
Egyptian Magic
Adenomyosis

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Ellie was hanging out with a few of her friends when she overheard one of them talking about growing up with a sister who was in a famous rock band. Ellie said, "I didn't know this about you! Who is your sister?" Ellie then learned that her friend, Elizabeth Hanley-Grande, is the younger sister of Kay Hanley, lead singer of the band Letters to Cleo, whose hit single "Here and Now" was featured on the Melrose Place soundtrack and reached No. 10 on the Billboard Modern Rock Singles chart right around the time when Ellie was a senior in high school, making it one of her go-to rock anthems. Mind. Blown. Fast forward to the amazing idea to have our first ever SISTERS episode! We talk about what it was like growing up in a house with five women sharing one bathroom, having a mother who was very scientific about the body but very Catholic about premarital sex, and whether one's menopausal journey does or does not mirror that of one's sisters. We also touch on aging in the music industry, firing your doctors when they are crap, and how it's possible to NEVER see your sister's boobs. Listen to this episode and then go listen to Kay's music. Your earholes will be so happy.

Show notes:
Kay Hanley website
Kay Hanley Insta
Kay Hanley Facebook
Kay Hanley Twitter
Letters to Cleo

Dr. Jen Gunter
The Vajenda
Erin's Faces Affiliate Link
Julia G Wellness

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Ever heard of Shittens? They are disposable, mitten-shaped moist wipes that were created because "no one wants poop on their hands". Rachel Fine, our dear friend of over 20 years, is one of the inventors of Shittens, but she's so much more than that! You might know her as host of various shows on Howard Stern TV, reporter for Travel Channel's Paranormal Paparazzi, singer and songwriter of the album "Own Your Own", chief ambassador of the MacDella Cooper Foundation, and co-owner of the Gigglewaters Social Club & Screening Room in the Tampa Bay area. She also has two kids and at least that many pets. As if that weren't enough to cover, Rachel is here to tell us how her pesky varicose veins led to the discovery of a rare vascular condition called May-Thurner Syndrome. This is potentially life-saving information for our listeners, as the condition disproportionately affects women and is usually not found until after someone has died! We also talk about burnout, IV Ketamine treatments, and how your career shouldn't define you. It's easy to bounce from topic to topic when you're bouncing with your bestie.

Where to find Rachel
Rachel Fine Twitter
Rachel Fine Insta
Rachel Fine Facebook
Rachel Fine Website
Gigglewaters Social Club and Screening Room
Shittens

Mentioned in the episode
Thank You to Shittens from Project Hope
May-Thurner Syndrome
MacDella Cooper Foundation
Chronic pain is surprisingly treatable — when patients focus on the brain
Burnout by Emily and Amelia Nagoski
Feminist Survival Project - Episode 63 - How to Listen to Your Body

Other things we want you to look at
Erin's Faces
Julia G Wellness

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