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Welcome to A Vision for Learning with your host, Jethro Jones. Follow me on social media @jethrojones. Today's question: Should I buy this for use in school? Can it be a tool in school? Is it too costly? Should every student have one? Is it worth it? I've used it since its release last week. It's great for productivity, and some features are incredible, like reading. But let's discuss its use for school.

Apple designed a few things from the start that matter. First, they created an easy-to-access guest mode as a default. It lets you share the device with others and decide if they can access all apps or only opened ones. You can also choose to mirror the display on another device, like a Mac computer or Apple TV.

Another education tool is guided access, an accessibility feature that keeps the device in a specific app. It allows you to set up a passcode and restrict users to the chosen app, preventing them from accessing other apps. This can be useful in educational settings to focus students on the task at hand.

So, should we use this device for school? Consider its features and weigh the benefits against the costs before making your decision.
wants to escape, a separate passcode is needed, distinct from your optic ID. You can share it or keep it secret. If you want students to focus on one app, you can set that up. A challenge: once removed, you must recalibrate for each user. This could be time-consuming but also a learning opportunity.

With fingers as input and eye tracking, there's no need for controllers. My oldest daughter with Down syndrome quickly figured it out. A side note: when using guest access and turning on mirroring, the tool to invoke mirroring is always visible and easy to tap accidentally. This can be frustrating for new users.

Apple designed this device for people over 13, possibly due to its size. It doesn't fit smaller heads well. When my 12-year-old tried it, she had to hold it up to keep it on her face.
and maintaining eye alignment proved challenging. However, placing a beanie on her head resolved the issue, allowing hands-free use and unobstructed IR blasters and cameras.

Firstly, guest mode and guided access are crucial. Secondly, the device isn't designed for young children. Thirdly, while sturdy, it's also delicate. Kids can become immersed in the experience, making it nerve-wracking for parents. Exercise caution with children using the device.

Apple recommends covering the glass front. With kids and glass being a risky combination, extreme caution is advised. Additionally, the screens viewed by users are rumored to cost a thousand dollars each.

The band attaching to the headset detaches easily, so avoid carrying it by the strap. Instead, place your thumb on the nose area and two fingers on top when handling it.

Regarding eye health concerns, an ophthalmologist will join me in a future discussion. The device has screens inches away from users' eyes, raising potential questions about long-term effects on vision.
Away from my eyes for hours, I haven't experienced the same reaction as staring at my phone for lengthy periods. A couple of differences exist. Firstly, I sit up straighter. Secondly, I focus more on posture and positioning due to the large device on my head, ensuring it stays in place. A sudden movement made me feel discomfort in my neck and back, reminding me to be cautious about how I move.

Regarding eye strain, I haven't felt the fatigue usually associated with computer screens or iPads. When I have an ophthalmologist on the show, I hope to gain insight into this phenomenon. Will VR cause similar eye strain? Research is needed to determine this.

Interestingly, a company uses VR to treat lazy eye. Instead of wearing an eye patch, children can watch a show in VR goggles for an hour daily to address the issue.

Now let's discuss cost. At $3,500, this device may seem expensive for children. Cheaper VR alternatives exist; however, one significant advantage is the Apple ecosystem of apps already available. Many iPad apps could likely be used similarly on the Apple Vision Pro.

Ultimately, the real benefit will be apps designed specifically for this device.
I'm eager to see what's available for the Apple Vision Pro. Vijay Ravindran discussed Floreo, utilizing virtual reality headsets to help those with autism interact better. These use cases are incredibly powerful as they address challenges in teaching and open doors for individuals with disabilities by custom designing experiences.

If you're already using apps with your students, many will likely work with the Vision Pro right away. But should you get it for your school? That depends on factors like the age of your students, their ability to handle expensive devices, and the comfort level of wearing it.

Take Jig Space, an app that allows users to explore an F1 car and other complex objects in three dimensions. It's impressive and has the potential to change education significantly. While not the first virtual reality headset, the difference lies in Apple's existing ecosystem of compatible apps.

Last week, Shannon Putman and I discussed intrinsic versus extrinsic motivation and how such technology could motivate students. There are numerous apps already created that can be integrated into the classroom experience.
In the midst of the Apple Vision Pro release, various apps are designed as rewards. One app, especially suitable for schools, is called Illustrated. This Apple Arcade game features puzzles where students recreate famous paintings like those in the Van Gogh Museum. Each painting has a story and description, making it an educational experience.

The Apple Vision Pro encourages creative app development, and I anticipate unique creations for educational purposes. If you use it in schools, contact me; I'd love to discuss its impact on education.

After a few days with the Apple Vision Pro, I'm eager to hear from those using it in school settings. Reach out and share your experiences, cool apps, and how they work or don't. Thank you for listening to A Vision for Learning. Share this with friends and leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Ensure it's five stars with kind words. See you next time on A Vision for Learning.

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Welcome to A Vision for Learning! Today, let's discuss using Apple Vision Pro for productivity. Apple promotes this, and I think they're right. I'm impressed with its capabilities.

Recently, I made a video (find it at avisionforlearning.com) about unboxing and my first impressions of the Apple Vision Pro. I edited that video entirely while wearing Apple Vision Pro and using my Mac. It was powerful and enjoyable.

Fascinatingly, AVP (Apple Vision Pro) has already changed my work approach. Firstly, "locking in" by putting on the device and entering work mode has been effective for me. If you're like me, struggling with distractions, this helps with focus. People use various methods to maintain focus, such as timers or Timeler; Apple Vision Pro is another example.

If your work is solitary, this can be beneficial. The "locking in" aspect has been great.

Secondly, comfort is important. Some people find the Solo Loop band uncomfortable compared to the Double Loop band. Personally, I find the Solo Loop quite comfortable and prefer it. Round the top of my skull, it's more comfortable. The other one feels like a small band that digs in, not really loving that.

The next piece: it's easy to get used to all these floating windows around me. It contributes to the locked-in feeling, focused on work. I can have ReadWise, photos, and notes open and easily accessible. I've liked multiple monitors before, but having these fade-into-background windows is cool.

On the Mac, you have other windows that don't fade. Apple introduced Stage Manager, but I haven't gotten into it. With Vision Pro, I'm in Mount Hood with beautiful scenery and sounds. Windows let me see the nature scene; it's a cool different thing that I enjoy.

Switching between Mac and Vision Pro for typing or editing is simple. I use my Mac keyboard for Notes or other apps on Vision Pro easily. You can also use your voice or a heads-up display keyboard on Vision Pro. It feels like you're touching it – not great but functional.
The thing in front of you, not real but feeling like you're touching it, is truly remarkable. You can use the keyboard attached to your Mac too. Productivity is real with this. I'm recording through my Mac, wearing the Vision Pro, and the display is right there.

Controlling my Mac is incredible. I've used screen-sharing software before, but this is different. It's like I'm really using it – not a second-class system. I use my keyboard and mouse normally, and it's a bigger screen with other windows from the Vision Pro.

Multiple screen support for Mac computers on the Vision Pro will happen in the future. Adjusting volume of surrounding sounds is neat as well. On Mount Hood today, I can turn down ambient noise.

iPad apps not designed for the Vision Pro are compatible apps. I've downloaded many familiar apps to see how they work. Interacting with pop-ups can be challenging. One app I use often is Readwise – it works well even though it's not designed for Apple Vision Pro.

Text reading is incredible, better than on my iPad or phone. The perfect size text is wonderful. The challenge comes when taking notes while reading – tapping and holding with your fingers
Selecting something requires tapping and dragging to highlight, like a paragraph. It's not terrible, but not great either, as it can be challenging on iPad apps not designed for Apple Vision Pro. You don't know what you're looking at, and you don't get the feedback you want.

Another issue is that things don't always work as intended on these apps. However, tapping with fingers is intuitive and makes sense. In my other podcasts, I've discussed my oldest daughter with Down Syndrome. She understood and used the system right away, which is incredible.

Using a computer is challenging for her. But using touchscreen devices or this device, she figured it out quickly. I'll discuss more in an episode later this week about using this in school, as there are interesting use cases.

My daughter managed the headset with minimal support from me. You can be productive with it by pinning windows around your environment. If I move upstairs from my office, the windows stay downstairs, and I can see them through the ground.

What's mind-blowing is that during a FaceTime call, I left someone in my office, I walked upstairs and could still see them through the floor. Their voice was muffled and sounded further away. As you turn your head in FaceTime or Zoom, you hear people differently based on their position. If they're on my right, I hear them in my right ear, and if they're on my left, in my left ear.

This is designed for sharing content. Any open window during a FaceTime call has a "not shared" bar above it. Tap on that bar to share with the person you're FaceTiming. There are many collaborative features built into this, which Apple has done well.

You can pin things up all around your environment, and they'll stay there. I posted a video on Twitter using a whiteboard in my office where I pinned it right on the wall and wrote with my finger touching the wall. It worked as a whiteboard in the app Notability, an iPad app not even updated for Vision Pro.

Many of these apps work right out of the box, which is impressive. However, if you have hidden tools in your app, it's hard to find them without a touch screen interface.

I hope you've enjoyed this brief look into using the Apple Vision Pro for productivity. I am impressed by its productivity aspect and discovering new ways to use it that I hadn't anticipated before trying it.
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In our next episode, we'll be discussing the application of these concepts in a school setting. While there may be some challenges, the potential benefits are significant. Join us again for another insightful conversation on A Vision for Learning. See you later!

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I got the Apple Vision Pro and did an unboxing video. You may want to watch at this link.

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We’re thrilled to be sponsored by Renaissance and IXL.

Learn more about Renaissance:

As a global leader in education technology operating in more than 110 countries, Renaissance is committed to providing educators with insights and resources to accelerate growth and help all students build a strong foundation for success. We believe that technology can unlock a more effective learning experience, ensure that students get the personalized teaching they need to thrive, and help educators and administrators to truly, fully, See Every Student. Learn more at renaissance.com.

IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more:

• Simplify and streamline technology
• Save teachers’ time
• Reliably meet Tier 1 standards
• Improve student performance on state assessments

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In this interview Dr. Shannon Putman and Jethro Jones talk about the way VR is being used in classrooms already, what we’re excited about for the Apple Vision Pro, and we bring in a little AI as well. See the detailed breakdown below: 

• Apple Vision Pro, Passthrough, comfort, design, etc. 
• Depending on the customer, is 
• Interact with the content in a more fluid and natural manner. 
• Hand and eye tracking to update in real time. 
• Powerful to have the Apple Ecosystem available on day 1
• Challenges of maximizing daily work
• Slight learning curve with utilizing new operating systems. 
• The challenges of adopting new VR technology
• Making it as easy as possible for teachers
• It’s not a replacement and something you will be using all day every day. 
• How to use the headset, it’s just the next step. 
• There isn’t always an app for that. 
• Project-based learning isn’t anything new, it’s just good instruction. 
• Have fun, and learn at the same time.
• Having fun leads to better relationships. 
• Taking features out of the game to get to the learning
• Not having any behavior problems
• Forgot that we were learning. 
• Takes higher order concepts and makes them real
• You don’t have to imagine because you are experiencing it. 
• Consuming 3d content in a 3d medium. 
• There’s every level of support to create these experiences
• Created all of her Dissertation content in a tool called Engage.
• XReps - what is a football simulation doing in the classroom?
• Students were engaged, 
• Spatial awareness - we don’t actually teach it - ability to notice our body in the space we are in. 
• The “right answer” is not always there. 
• Movement is allowed. 
• It allows you to get multiple repetitions in a very short amount of time. 
• What’s your vision for the future? VR headsets in
• CareerViewXR donating headsets to every secondary school in North Dakota

About Shannon Putman

Shannon Putman, Ph. D. is the founder and owner of Putman XR Consulting. A company that focuses on using the most bleeding-edge technology to improve instruction. At Putman XR Consulting, we believe quality instruction transcends subject matter and age. 

Therefore, we do not focus on a specific field or content but on improving performance across all disciplines. This includes educational classrooms, athletic fields, and industry. We are thrilled to announce our partnership with Kentucky Department of Education's groundbreaking initiative - the country's largest school district-led VR deployment!

 Dr. Shannon Putman, an esteemed special education teacher and VR expert with over a decade of classroom experience, spearheaded this remarkable project. Starting with just 50 Oculus Go’s and growing to 2,450 Meta Quest 2s, she has paved the way for a future of VR education across the Commonwealth of Kentucky. Prior to founding Putman XR Consulting, Shannon worked as an associate professor and Fort Knox Program Coordinator at the University of Louisville. 

Before that, she spent eight years teaching the multi-modal communication special education classroom and two years as the learning and behavior disorder resource teacher. She spent three years working as the teacher in residence at Cochran Elementary. She has focused her work on implementing the use of Immersive Virtual Reality (IVR) technologies into the educational curriculum. Her Ph.D. research focused on using IVR technology as an educational intervention. She developed and created my dissertation IVR experience. It is a 20-minute experience that takes the user through the life of Representative John Lewis. It starts with him preaching to his chickens on his farm in Troy and goes all the way through the Bloody Sunday march on the Edmund Pettus Bridge. Shannon is also a co-founder of XReps, the leading immersive virtual reality football simulation system and cognitive skills program.

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We’re thrilled to be sponsored by Renaissance and IXL.

Learn more about Renaissance:

As a global leader in education technology operating in more than 110 countries, Renaissance is committed to providing educators with insights and resources to accelerate growth and help all students build a strong foundation for success. We believe that technology can unlock a more effective learning experience, ensure that students get the personalized teaching they need to thrive, and help educators and administrators to truly, fully, See Every Student. Learn more at renaissance.com.

IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more:

• Simplify and streamline technology
• Save teachers’ time
• Reliably meet Tier 1 standards
• Improve student performance on state assessments

🚀 Ready to see why leading districts trust IXL for their educational needs? Visit IXL.com/BE today to learn more about how IXL can elevate your school or district.

In this episode of 'A Vision for Learning', host Jethro Jones discusses his recent 'phone phast', an intentional disconnect from his phone in preparation for acquiring the upcoming Apple Vision Pro. Reflecting on his growing reliance on his phone, Jethro shares the realizations he had during his fast, especially his need for better presence with his family and a clear focus on his professional commitments. He also talks about 'locking in' - a concept of staying focused, as well as how he intends to use the Apple Vision Pro as a specialized work device. The host concludes with his thoughts on the potential applications of the device and his anticipation about its upcoming release.

We’re thrilled to be sponsored by Renaissance and IXL.

Learn more about Renaissance:

As a global leader in education technology operating in more than 110 countries, Renaissance is committed to providing educators with insights and resources to accelerate growth and help all students build a strong foundation for success. We believe that technology can unlock a more effective learning experience, ensure that students get the personalized teaching they need to thrive, and help educators and administrators to truly, fully, See Every Student. Learn more at renaissance.com.

IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more:

• Simplify and streamline technology
• Save teachers’ time
• Reliably meet Tier 1 standards
• Improve student performance on state assessments

🚀 Ready to see why leading districts trust IXL for their educational needs? Visit IXL.com/BE today to learn more about how IXL can elevate your school or district.

Host Jethro Jones and Matt Chaussee, the founder of Career View XR, discuss the speculative future world of immersive learning environments, the significance of Career View XR, the future implications of emerging technologies like Apple's Vision Pro for the landscape of learning and digital media, and the distinction between virtual reality and augmented or mixed reality. Matt also delves into how the creation of these immersive experiences takes place and their potential impact on learning opportunities. Towards the end of the conversation, they emphasize Apple's role in creating a new window into the digital world, and the vast potential brought forth by technologies such as Apple Vision Pro.

03:04 The Future of Spatial Computing and Immersive Media

05:05 The Difference Between Virtual Reality and Augmented Reality

06:19 The Power of Apple's Ecosystem and Vision Pro

08:51 The Potential of Vision Pro in Everyday Life

15:33 The Future of Learning with Vision Pro

18:05 The Challenges and Opportunities in Creating Immersive Experiences

• You don’t need a screen
• Delivery mechanism depends on the outcomes
• True mixed reality compared to what you’re experiencing now
• Distinction between Mixed and virtual reality - making you feel like you’re someplace else.
• Enhancement of current offerings 
• Watching a video, and the entire process can be replicated in front of you in your space.
• Where did I put it!? 
• Crouton App.
• Boeing Mechanics using VR to learn
• Vive XR Elite
• Interacting with digital objects in space
• Victory XR - great chemistry lab
• Create real labs anywhere.
• Creation of the experiences
• Creating content that is not tethered to one particular device
• 360 degree media - not interactive, environment
• Platform agnostic content that transcends
• Standards for VR format. 
• Matterport Cameras
• 360 Video that has action
• Lidar scan of Notre dame cathedral
• Getting a taste and then wants to experience it more.

About Matthew  Chaussee

Matt Chaussee is the CEO of Be More Colorful, a Midwest-based immersive media production studio whose platform, CareerViewXR, is rapidly gaining national attention. Matt, along with his wife (and company owner) Katie, lead an innovative team of creatives who are laser focused on making career exploration affordable, accessible, and fun! CareerViewXR provides students and adult career seekers across the country with an unprecedented opportunity to experience real-world careers through virtual reality technology. Recently selected from a field of over 2,000 applicants to be one of 33 Semifinalists for the prestigious Yass Prize, Matt will discuss the significance of the award, and how he sees tools like CareerViewXR transforming how we guide students on their educational journey.

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We’re thrilled to be sponsored by Renaissance and IXL.

Learn more about Renaissance:

As a global leader in education technology operating in more than 110 countries, Renaissance is committed to providing educators with insights and resources to accelerate growth and help all students build a strong foundation for success. We believe that technology can unlock a more effective learning experience, ensure that students get the personalized teaching they need to thrive, and help educators and administrators to truly, fully, See Every Student. Learn more at renaissance.com.

IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more:

• Simplify and streamline technology
• Save teachers’ time
• Reliably meet Tier 1 standards
• Improve student performance on state assessments

🚀 Ready to see why leading districts trust IXL for their educational needs? Visit IXL.com/BE today to learn more about how IXL can elevate your school or district.

In this episode I bring a seasoned recording from Transformative Principal where we talked with Vijay Ravindran, founder of Floreo about how he uses Virtual Reality with people who have Autism to help them improve their lives. Really powerful conversation. I hope you enjoy it. 

I hope to have Vijay on this show to talk more about where he is at with this technology now and I'll keep you updated, so be sure to subscribe. 

We’re thrilled to be sponsored by Renaissance and IXL.

Learn more about Renaissance:

As a global leader in education technology operating in more than 110 countries, Renaissance is committed to providing educators with insights and resources to accelerate growth and help all students build a strong foundation for success. We believe that technology can unlock a more effective learning experience, ensure that students get the personalized teaching they need to thrive, and help educators and administrators to truly, fully, See Every Student. Learn more at renaissance.com.

IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more:

• Simplify and streamline technology
• Save teachers’ time
• Reliably meet Tier 1 standards
• Improve student performance on state assessments

🚀 Ready to see why leading districts trust IXL for their educational needs? Visit IXL.com/BE today to learn more about how IXL can elevate your school or district.

This podcast, hosted by Jethro Jones, explores the scope of learning in the future and delves into various aspects of emerging technologies in education, particularly the Apple Vision Pro and Artificial Intelligence. Among the principal concerns discussed is the balance between technological advancements and maintaining personal connection with students. The discussion also elaborates on the capabilities and potential of the Apple Vision Pro, augmented reality applications, and other possible adaptations to new platforms. Jones urges a paradigm shift from traditional mindsets, advocating for thinking 'outside the box' when embracing these advancements.

Two videos and a Link to check out:

Video: JigSpace App on Apple Vision Pro

Video: Spatial F1 broadcast app - it's aabout the mindset needed for these apps.

Who's already using VR in schools? Matt Chaussee on Transformative Principal: CareerViewXR
Concern and Mindset Shift

Concern: losing the personal connection.

Mindset Shift: Think outside the box. What practical thing can I do tomorrow?

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We’re thrilled to be sponsored by Renaissance and IXL.

Learn more about Renaissance:

As a global leader in education technology operating in more than 110 countries, Renaissance is committed to providing educators with insights and resources to accelerate growth and help all students build a strong foundation for success. We believe that technology can unlock a more effective learning experience, ensure that students get the personalized teaching they need to thrive, and help educators and administrators to truly, fully, See Every Student. Learn more at renaissance.com.

IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more:

• Simplify and streamline technology
• Save teachers’ time
• Reliably meet Tier 1 standards
• Improve student performance on state assessments

🚀 Ready to see why leading districts trust IXL for their educational needs? Visit IXL.com/BE today to learn more about how IXL can elevate your school or district.

Welcome to 'A Vision for Learning', on the BE Podcast Network. This is the podcast that ventures deep into the mind-blowing realm of augmented reality and virtual reality in education! If you're interested in redesigning the future of education, you've come to the right place. 

I am your host, Transformative Principal Jethro Jones, founder of the BE Podcast Network, and educational ruckus maker. I've been working to change education for my whole career, ever since I started blogging with my students in the early 2000's. 

In this series, we don't just scratch the surface - we dive headfirst into the groundbreaking potential of devices like the Apple Vision Pro. We'll explore how they're revolutionizing both individual and classroom learning experiences.

And the journey doesn't stop there! Alongside a broad exploration of the AR/VR landscape, we delve into specific applications in the sector of learning and education.

From immersive virtual excursions that transport students from their classrooms to other continents, to engaging interactions with anatomical structures for medical students, each episode invites you into a world where education is transformed by technology. But this isn't just about technology for technology's sake. This is about redesigning our education system to be adaptive and personalized for our students and the future they are growing up in.

The excitement builds as we bring into the conversation data from the front lines of this educational revolution. You'll hear from founders, innovative developers, passionate educators - they all take center stage as we discuss the diverse use cases, the challenges, the victories, and the future of Apple Vision Pro and AR/VR in schools.

Together, we'll uncover the tremendous power of AR/VR as we reimagine the future of education together.

Check out more from this show at avisionforlearning.com. That's a vision for learning dot com.

This show is a member of the BE Podcast Network, podcasts that help you go beyond education. Learn more at bepodcastnetwork.com