In part one of our conversation with the Rev. Chantilly Mers-Pickett, we talk about growing up in Hawaii, the faith shifts in her life, and the tension between melody and lyrics in Christian music. She also plays some Bob Marley for us!

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In part two of our conversation with strategic play consultant Gary Ware, we reflect on acceptance and building, navigating difficult realities, and the benefits of play for adult learning.

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In part one of our conversation with strategic play consultant Gary Ware, we delve into discovering improv, leaving behind a “serious” career, and how crisis led to freedom.

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Our friend and frequent collaborator Amina McIntyre co-preached with Marthame Sanders at Northwest Presbyterian Church in Atlanta.

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We continue our conversation with scholar/pastor/emcee Albert Russell (AKA A+), touching on his prophetic use of rap, serving as a Black pastor in a predominantly white Alabama church, and how love can be an antidote to division.

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In part one of our conversation with scholar/pastor/emcee Albert Russell (AKA A+), we examine his dual calling as a scientist and pastor, how the two blend together for him, and the danger of merging religion with political agendas.

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Listen to our 2024 collaboration with Albert.

In part two of our conversation with The Many (Darren Calhoun, Leslie Michelle, and Hannah Rand), we examine lyrical specificity, writing songs that address injustice, and re-examining language in order to expand our circles.

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In part one of our conversation with Darren Calhoun, Leslie Michelle, and Hannah Rand from indie folk/gospel group The Many, we dive into their vision for diverse, justice-oriented worship music; creating participatory and collaborative experiences; and their Lament Together series.

Listen to part two.