In this conversation, Ms. Sarah Miller, Mr. Wes Schantz, and I discuss "Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix" chapters 19-24. Specifically, we consider (a) the relationship of language to domination, subjugation, and liberation ontologically, psychologically, sociologically, and mythologically; (b) we consider the nature of the thestrals, and Hagrid's "giant" problem; (c) and we conclude considering differing ways in which we, as wizards, might observe "Wizard Lent".