Episode 69 of ‘All About Art’: The White Pube: Discussing ‘Poor Artists’ & Why The Art World Needs To Change - with Gabrielle de la Puente and Zarina Muhammad 

In this episode, I sat down with Gabrielle de la Puente and Zarina Muhammad, the co-founders of The White Pube, a platform launched in 2015 where they share reviews, essays, social media posts and memes critiquing the elitism and inaccessibility of the art world.

The name the duo chose, The White Pube, is a play on the White Cube, a globally successful mega contemporary art gallery. It is also a tongue-in-cheek reference to the display format in which contemporary works of art are generally shown. Pristine white walls, wood or concrete floors, high ceilings… space of veneration or quiet contemplation, sterile where nothing other than “the art experience” can happen. The provocative name has even deeper layers when considering the references to white supremacy and ageism within the arts, as well - so listen on to hear me speak to Gabrielle and Zarina more about that later in the episode. 

We chat about how they got started as an art critic duo, and how they have been working together and successfully collaborating for nearly a decade - having never had ONE fight (well, in this interview you will hear Zarina say that they did have a fight once… but it was about art).

I also got the pleasure of speaking to Gabrielle and Zarina about their recently published debut book called ‘Poor Artists’, in which an aspiring artist has to navigate money and power, and is faced with the decision of whether she cares more about success or staying true to herself. I ask Zarina and Gabrielle to delve into their writing process as co-authors, and to tell me more about what the experience was like to conduct interviews and weave them into the narrative, as the book integrates anonymous interviews with real people in the art world into its story. We touch on how writing the book has impacted their view on the arts sector, what the future holds for the White Pube, and so much more. 

Thank you Gabrielle and Zarina, a.k.a. The White Pube, for coming on the podcast! 

You can check out The White Pube: https://thewhitepube.co.uk/

and you can purchase Poor Artists here: https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/455873/poor-artists-by-pube-gabrielle-de-la-puente-and-zarina-muhammad-aka-the-white/9780241633762

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ABOUT THE HOST:

I am an Austrian-American art historian, curator, and writer. I obtained my BA in History of Art at University College London and my MA in Arts Administration and Cultural Policy at Goldsmiths, University of London. My specializations are in contemporary art and the contemporary art market along with accessibility, engagement, and the demystification of the professional art sector.

Here are links to my social media, feel free to reach out:

COVER ART: Lisa Schrofner a.k.a Liser⁠ ⁠⁠www.liser-art.com⁠ and Luca Laurence www.lucalaurence.com 

Episode Production: Paul Zschornack

Episode 68 of ‘All About Art’: Looted? Missing? Authentic? Why Art Provenance Research Matters with Angelina Giovani

In this episode, I sat down with Angelina Giovani, art historian and provenance researcher based in London, and the co-founder of Flynn & Giovani Art Provenance Research with Dr. Tom Flynn. In 2023 she launched the Art Market Academy, a dedicated online environment offering online courses in provenance research and due diligence, now subtitled in over 15 languages.

Listen on to hear me ask Angelina about what provenance research entails, along with whose responsibility it is to ensure due diligence is conducted and the research is done. We chat about emerging technologies and how this is changing the landscape of provenance research, along with the practicalities of the process of research, how collectors can mitigate and assess the risk of selling works or knowing when deeper research is needed, and more. 

Thank you Angelina for coming on the podcast! 

You can check out Flynn and Giovani Art Provenance Research here: https://www.flynngiovani.com/

and you can see the work Angelina is doing with the Art Market Academy here: https://www.artmarketacademy.com/

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ABOUT THE HOST:

I am an Austrian-American art historian, curator, and writer. I obtained my BA in History of Art at University College London and my MA in Arts Administration and Cultural Policy at Goldsmiths, University of London. My specializations are in contemporary art and the contemporary art market along with accessibility, engagement, and the demystification of the professional art sector.

Here are links to my social media, feel free to reach out:

COVER ART: Lisa Schrofner a.k.a Liser⁠ ⁠⁠www.liser-art.com⁠ and Luca Laurence www.lucalaurence.com 

Episode Production: Paul Zschornack

Episode 67 of ‘All About Art’: Discussing Contemporary Art Auctions with Kelsey Macpherson, Specialist at Sotheby’s Auction House

In this episode, I sat down with Kelsey Macpherson, Specialist and Deputy Director in the Contemporary Art department at Sotheby’s Auction House.

Listen on to hear me ask Kelsey, who relocated from New York to London earlier this year, how the auctions and markets differ in the two cities. We speak about her career path at the auction house and what her job entails, and she gives advice to those wanting to pursue a career in art auctions. We discuss the current time of year, which is by far the busiest time in London due to Frieze Art Fair, and more. 

Thank you Kelsey for coming on the podcast!

You can check out Sotheby’s and their upcoming exhibitions and auctions here:

https://www.sothebys.com/en/

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ABOUT THE HOST:

I am an Austrian-American art historian, curator, and writer. I obtained my BA in History of Art at University College London and my MA in Arts Administration and Cultural Policy at Goldsmiths, University of London. My specializations are in contemporary art and the contemporary art market along with accessibility, engagement, and the demystification of the professional art sector.

Here are links to my social media, feel free to reach out:

COVER ART: Lisa Schrofner a.k.a Liser⁠ ⁠⁠www.liser-art.com⁠ and Luca Laurence www.lucalaurence.com 

Episode Production: Paul Zschornack

Episode 66 of ‘All About Art’: The Importance of Art History Degrees, with Gregory Perry, CEO & Christina Bradstreet, Head of Programmes at the Association for Art History

In this episode, I sat down with not one but TWO guests from the Association for Art History, Gregory Perry, CEO and Christina Bradstreet, Head of Programmes. This episode is part of Art History Festival 2024 organised by the Association for Art History.

Listen on to hear me ask both Christina and Greg about the 50th anniversary of the Association along with Art History Now – an online campaign featuring over 90 eminent art history advocates comprised of artists, art historians, writers and broadcasters who have shared inspiring new reflections on what art history means to them and to society, and why it is important to talk more about careers in the cultural sector. We speak about how they both decided to pursue a career in the arts and what transferable skills and qualities come from studying art history.

Thank you Greg and Christina for coming on the podcast! 

You can follow Association for Art History on Instagram here:

https://www.instagram.com/forarthistory/

and check out the Association for Art History here:

https://forarthistory.org.uk/

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ABOUT THE HOST:

I am an Austrian-American art historian, curator, and writer. I obtained my BA in History of Art at University College London and my MA in Arts Administration and Cultural Policy at Goldsmiths, University of London. My specializations are in contemporary art and the contemporary art market along with accessibility, engagement, and the demystification of the professional art sector.

Here are links to my social media, feel free to reach out:

COVER ART: Lisa Schrofner a.k.a Liser⁠ ⁠⁠www.liser-art.com⁠ and Luca Laurence www.lucalaurence.com 

Episode Production: Paul Zschornack

Episode 65 of ‘All About Art’: Investing in Women Artists with Hall W. Rockefeller, Founder of Less Than Half

In this episode, I sat down with Hall W. Rockefeller, Founder of the advisory and education platform Less Than Half, dedicated to bringing women into the art market as supporters and collectors of women artists. 

Listen in to hear me ask Hall about why she started her business and what inspired her to launch the initiative. We talk about her business model and the concept of Matronage, a term very central to her business which underlines her stance that collecting women artists is impact investing. We delve into art history and how she would restructure university curriculums, and so much more.

Thank you Hall for coming on the podcast!

You can follow Hall on Instagram here:

www.instagram.com/all.the.lady.artists

and check out Less Than Half here:

https://lessthanhalf.org/

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ABOUT THE HOST:

I am an Austrian-American art historian, curator, and writer. I obtained my BA in History of Art at University College London and my MA in Arts Administration and Cultural Policy at Goldsmiths, University of London. My specializations are in contemporary art and the contemporary art market along with accessibility, engagement, and the demystification of the professional art sector.

Here are links to my social media, feel free to reach out:

COVER ART: Lisa Schrofner a.k.a Liser⁠ ⁠⁠www.liser-art.com⁠ and Luca Laurence www.lucalaurence.com 

Episode Production: Paul Zschornack

Episode 64 of ‘All About Art’: Discussing Art Recruitment with Emma Restall, Consultant and Marketing Coordinator at DRAW Recruitment

In this episode, I sat down with Emma Restall, Consultant and Marketing Coordinator at DRAW Recruitment. Emma has worked at DRAW for over half a decade, starting off as an administrator after finishing her master's degree.

DRAW is a recruitment agency specifically for the fine art sector, finding candidates for roles in galleries, museums, auction houses, and many other different types of arts organizations.

Listen on to hear me ask Emma about how she came to working in arts recruitment and what a recruitment agency does. We speak about the current job market, the importance of having HR, the barriers of finding a job in the arts, and so much more.

Thank you Emma for coming on the podcast and to DRAW Recruitment for the collaboration!

Resources mentioned in the episode:

You can connect with Emma on LinkedIn here:

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/emma-restall-a408b8ba

and check out DRAW Recruitment here:

www.drawrecruitment.com

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ABOUT THE HOST:

I am an Austrian-American art historian, curator, and writer. I obtained my BA in History of Art at University College London and my MA in Arts Administration and Cultural Policy at Goldsmiths, University of London. My specializations include contemporary art, specifically feminism and artificial intelligence in artistic practice, as well as museum policies and arts engagement.

Here are links to my social media, feel free to reach out:

COVER ART: Lisa Schrofner a.k.a Liser⁠ ⁠⁠www.liser-art.com⁠ and Luca Laurence www.lucalaurence.com 

Episode Production: Paul Zschornack

Episode 63 of ‘All About Art’: Ell Pennick, Founder of Guts Gallery, on Starting a Gallery as a Working-Class Arts Professional

In this episode, I sat down with Ell Pennick, founder of Guts Gallery in London. Ell founded Guts as one of the youngest gallerists navigating the art world today. As a working-class, queer Northerner with no art background, Ell's footing in the art world started with their frustrations at the lack of meaningful opportunities for people like them.

Listen on to hear me ask Ell about how their gallery is challenging the status quo and how they got started as an entrepreneur. We speak about the other ventures Ell is pursuing, including the Guts Incubator and Goldie Saloon, a queer-led bar and cafe underneath the gallery opening soon. We also speak about how they choose the artists they work with, how they develop their collector base, and so much more.

Thank you Ell for coming on the podcast!

Articles/ books mentioned in the episode:

Ell Pennick for AnOther Magazine: https://www.anothermag.com/art-photography/15298/guts-gallery-ell-pennick-interview-london

The Lean Startup by Eric Ries: https://www.wob.com/en-gb/books/eric-ries/lean-startup/

You can follow Guts Gallery on Instagram here: https://www.instagram.com/guts_gallery/?hl=en

And check them out on their website here: https://gutsgallery.co.uk/about/

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ABOUT THE HOST:

I am an Austrian-American art historian, curator, and writer. I obtained my BA in History of Art at University College London and my MA in Arts Administration and Cultural Policy at Goldsmiths, University of London. My specializations include contemporary art, specifically feminism and artificial intelligence in artistic practice, as well as museum policies and arts engagement.

Here are links to my social media, feel free to reach out:

COVER ART: Lisa Schrofner a.k.a Liser⁠ ⁠⁠www.liser-art.com⁠ and Luca Laurence www.lucalaurence.com 

Episode Production: Paul Zschornack

Episode 62 of ‘All About Art’: Art Philanthropy with Joanna Masiyiwa, Global Council Member of the Zeitz Museum of Contemporary Art Africa in Cape Town

In this episode, I sat down with Joanna Masiyiwa, an African philanthropist and Business Development Officer at Delta Philanthropies, UK.

I spoke to Joanna in depth about her role as a founding member of the Global Council of the Zeitz Museum of Contemporary Art Africa in Cape Town. This interview was facilitated by AWITA, the Association of Women in the Arts here in London during their annual conference for arts professionals, taking place at Christie’s Auction House with a keynote speech by Koyo Kouoh, the Executive Director and Chief Curator of the Zeitz MOCAA.

Listen on to hear me ask Joanna about why philanthropy is important to her, and what her role entails as a Global Council member of the Zeitz MOCAA. I also ask her about her opinion on the management of the museum since Koyo came on as director in 2019, her perspective on the shared vision of the museum and its future, and so much more. 

Thank you Joanna for coming on the podcast, and to AWITA, Zeitz MOCAA, and the team at Button Collective for facilitating!

You can find out more about Zeitz MOCAA and the Global Council here:

https://zeitzmocaa.museum/global-council/

You can follow Zeitz MOCAA on Instagram here:

https://www.instagram.com/zeitzmocaa/

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ABOUT THE HOST:

I am an Austrian-American art historian, curator, and writer. I obtained my BA in History of Art at University College London and my MA in Arts Administration and Cultural Policy at Goldsmiths, University of London. My specializations include contemporary art, specifically feminism and artificial intelligence in artistic practice, as well as museum policies and arts engagement.

Here are links to my social media, feel free to reach out:

COVER ART: Lisa Schrofner a.k.a Liser⁠ ⁠⁠www.liser-art.com⁠ and Luca Laurence www.lucalaurence.com 

Episode Production: Paul Zschornack

Episode 61 of ‘All About Art’: Dr. Dorothy Price on Teaching, Curating, and Researching Critical Race Theory and German Modernism in Art History

In this episode, I sat down with British art historian and academic Dorothy Price. She is a Professor of Modern and Contemporary Art and Critical Race Art History at the Courtauld Institute of Art in London, and was previously Professor of History of Art at the University of Bristol as the first woman of colour to be appointed to a Chair in Art History at a Russell Group university. In 2021, she was elected a Fellow of the British Academy.

Listen on to hear me ask Dorothy about her specializations of German modernism and post-war Black British art, and how she approaches these very different themes. We also speak about her experiences both curating and teaching, and she delves deeper into the processes of curating an exhibition at the Royal Academy of Arts (one of which recently closed, titled Entangles Pasts). We speak about what being a professor at a world-renowned art institute entails along with her upcoming research projects, and much more.

Thank you Dot for coming on the podcast!

You can follow Dorothy on Instagram here: www.instagram.com/arthistorianbyday/

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ABOUT THE HOST:

I am an Austrian-American art historian, curator, and writer. I obtained my BA in History of Art at University College London and my MA in Arts Administration and Cultural Policy at Goldsmiths, University of London. My specializations include contemporary art, specifically feminism and artificial intelligence in artistic practice, as well as museum policies and arts engagement.

Here are links to my social media, feel free to reach out:

COVER ART: Lisa Schrofner a.k.a Liser⁠ ⁠⁠www.liser-art.com⁠ and Luca Laurence www.lucalaurence.com 

Episode Production: Paul Zschornack

BONUS EPISODE of ‘All About Art’: LIVE Panel Talk on Arts and Culture on the Canal

This is a special bonus episode in collaboration with Slash Arts, Word On The Water, and Canal Dream CIC.

Art Historian and All About Art Host Alexandra Steinacker sat down with Simon Hodgkinson, founder of Slash Arts, Paddy Screech, co-founder of Word on the Water, and Chuntian Hu, founder of Canal Dream CIC, a company that activates London’s historic waterways through a variety of arts and cultural projects, to speak about the impact culture has on the city and how it can be communicated on the canals that allow for a deeper engagement and accessibility. 

You can check out the speakers on social media below:

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ABOUT THE HOST:

I am an Austrian-American art historian, curator, and writer. I obtained my BA in History of Art at University College London and my MA in Arts Administration and Cultural Policy at Goldsmiths, University of London. My specializations include contemporary art, specifically feminism and artificial intelligence in artistic practice, as well as museum policies and arts engagement.

Here are links to my social media, feel free to reach out:

COVER ART: Lisa Schrofner a.k.a Liser⁠ ⁠⁠www.liser-art.com⁠ and Luca Laurence www.lucalaurence.com