Jay is on the road this week, but this time with his best mate Peter Rollins. Jay picks Pete’s brain about the idea of not only arguing well, but also listening well–which often leads to arguing well. This is something the country is really struggling with. We always seem to be moving from one crisis to another and we never stop and listen or take any time to disagree well, to argue well. Pete discusses similar themes and solutions he’s observed in Ireland and how they overcame a lot of the same struggles. He talks about the idea of the unconscious, and how it is not just something a person struggles with, but also how groups and societies can also fall victim to it as well. Together they talk about the idea of opening ourselves up to listening to those who critique us, the dangers of patronizing love, what it means to have conflict, what it means to have war, and what it means to see ourselves through the eyes of others. All of this–and of course, as always–giving each other a hard time while doing it.

This talk was given on July 24, 2022 in Los Angeles, California.

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