“Everything I know about pageants I learned from Tony Kornheiser.”

World traveler Chuck Culpepper joins David and Torie. They reflect on Bob Dole and Fred Hiatt, ponder sports and China, and agree that AI is inevitable. Author Amy Argetsinger zooms in to talk about There She Was, her meticulously researched and highly entertaining look behind the scenes at the Miss America pageant for the last 100 years.