We continue the discussion with Zach Langley Chi Chi on trends in pop music, including hot takes on Beyonce’s new album, Drake, Nicki Minaj, Gaga, Mariah, and Ariana...as well as a back and forth about the convergences and divergences between pagan libertinism and ecstatic asceticism, and the limits of love, violence, and morality.

Check out part 1 of our discussion, and also check out Zach’s I'M SO POPULAR podcast and follow him on Twitter @asukahomo.