Democrats would do well to listen to the leaders in their party who know how to communicate. Whether on the economy, green jobs, or the future of chip manufacturing, former Ohio Congressman Tim Ryan has a way of talking about these issues that resonates and makes sense to people. He joined Jen Psaki in this episode to share some insights into how Democrats can rethink and reframe the issues that matter most to the party. They also take a beat to talk about JD Vance, the nostalgia of small-town America and the importance of self-reflection to a party that lost.

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