Oh my god, thirty episodes. There are more episodes of An Irrelevant Wasteland than there are years of the lives of Hugo and Terence. The elder podcasters welcome a new guest, Vanessa Cuccia: musician, sometimes actress, and most interestingly, the creator (and business owner) of Chakrubs, which are sexual wellness products made from crystal. We sure get into that, in addition to religion, passion, and clothes shopping. Its a long one, but its worth it. Originally recorded on June 27th, 2015.