Cory and Brian interview Tim Catchim. Tim functions as a multi-vocational entrepreneur. He has started several business, to include a curbside recycling business, a Go Green Initiative, as well as Trimtab: A Coaching and Consulting agency that helps people apply APEST in their life, leadership, teams, and organizations. In this conversation we focus on an overview of the five-fold gifts found in Ephesians 4.

"Ephesians 4 makes an astounding claim: These gifts help us mature into the fullness of who Christ. Without it, we will stall. If we want to mature, we need to dig into the five-fold gifts."

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