In this episode, Josh and Bob dive deep into Colin Powell’s 18 Principles of Leadership, but with a Meta-Cast twist. They each bring their top five principles to the table and unpack them—not as motivational posters, but as real-world lessons earned in the trenches. The discussion spans hard truths about pissing people off as a leader, the danger of falling in love with the "expert" class, why perpetual optimism actually moves teams forward, and how fun and humility are underrated superpowers. As always, the conversation is grounded, unfiltered, and full of personal stories from decades of leadership experience. This is a masterclass in modern, practical leadership thinking.

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