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The job market has been rough on tech leaders lately, and picking the wrong company can cost you a year or two of your career. In this episode, Bob Galen and Josh Anderson each share their top 5 things they look for when evaluating a company during hiring. (Bob brought 6, plus 3 more he doesn't care about.)

Bob and Josh frame the episode as “letters” to their future or past selves, sharing personal and leadership advice. Josh emphasizes trusting his gut even when he’s “annoyingly early,” dialing back intensity without stopping completely, continuing to make hard decisions and have difficult conversations at work and at home, and believing that “the money will take care of itself” despite economic pressures affecting his family and kids.

Bob argues that AI needs governance and a slowdown because it’s evolving too fast without thoughtful control, and he reflects on leadership as modeling—how you show up under pressure—admitting he harmed people earlier in his career and wishing he could undo it. He also stresses telling people what they mean to you and focusing on legacy: relationships, community, sustainability, and the impact you leave behind.

Josh Anderson's "Leadership Lighthouse"

Dive deeper into the world of Agile leadership and management with Josh Anderson's "Leadership Lighthouse." This bi-weekly newsletter offers insights, tips, and personal stories to help you navigate the complexities of leadership in today's fast-paced tech environment. Whether you're a new manager or a seasoned leader, you'll find valuable guidance and practical advice to enhance your leadership skills. Subscribe to "Leadership Lighthouse" for the latest articles and exclusive content right to your inbox.

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What would change if you treated every person on your team as someone else's precious cargo? A friend of the show visited her son at Fort Bragg and came home less worried, because his leaders clearly took responsibility for the people under their watch. That post sent Bob and Josh into what caring for your team actually looks like in practice: the standard Josh holds every leader in his org to, why so few leaders know how to develop people, what happens to "team first" talk when the pressure's on, and the small, almost free actions that tell your people you've got them.

What you'll learn:

• The measuring stick Josh holds himself and every leader in his org to
• Why most leaders never learned how to develop people, and what they copy instead
• How to walk into a PIP with the goal of getting the person back on track
• What happens to "team first" leaders when the pressure hits
• Why a final check on a parachute that's already been checked 10 times is the model for caring leadership
• Small actions that cost almost nothing and show your team you care (the broken-down car, the new baby, the next-day call)
• Why Josh stopped softening "I'm a team-first leader" in job interviews, and what it did for his career
• The 1 prioritization question that tells you what kind of leader you are

• Jennifer Fields's LinkedIn post

Josh Anderson's "Leadership Lighthouse"

Dive deeper into the world of Agile leadership and management with Josh Anderson's "Leadership Lighthouse." This bi-weekly newsletter offers insights, tips, and personal stories to help you navigate the complexities of leadership in today's fast-paced tech environment. Whether you're a new manager or a seasoned leader, you'll find valuable guidance and practical advice to enhance your leadership skills. Subscribe to "Leadership Lighthouse" for the latest articles and exclusive content right to your inbox.

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Bob Galen's "Agile Moose"

Bob Galen's "Agile Moose" is a must-read for anyone interested in Agile practices, team dynamics, and personal growth within the tech industry. The newsletter features in-depth analysis, case studies, and actionable tips to help you excel in your Agile journey. Bob brings his extensive experience and thoughtful perspectives directly to you, covering everything from foundational Agile concepts to advanced techniques. Join a community of Agile enthusiasts and practitioners by subscribing to "Agile Moose."

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Josh and Bob discuss growing finance pressure over AI token spend—dubbed the “great token reckoning of 2027”—and the mismatch between claimed 10x developer productivity and lack of comparable revenue gains.

Bob shares a Silicon Valley example where companies over-invested in engineers while QA, automation, and release/validation became the bottleneck, arguing AI can worsen similar pipeline imbalances. They emphasize fundamentals: ROI discipline (including a 4x ARR target for SaaS features), measuring real customer usage, and balancing AI generation with human validation, especially in regulated domains.

Josh recounts investors dismissing a startup for not leading with AI, likening it to past hype cycles. They warn against using AI to shortcut stakeholder engagement, citing unvalidated AI-generated personas, and suggest emerging opportunities for “validator” roles and testers as companies rebalance workflows.

Josh Anderson's "Leadership Lighthouse"

Dive deeper into the world of Agile leadership and management with Josh Anderson's "Leadership Lighthouse." This bi-weekly newsletter offers insights, tips, and personal stories to help you navigate the complexities of leadership in today's fast-paced tech environment. Whether you're a new manager or a seasoned leader, you'll find valuable guidance and practical advice to enhance your leadership skills. Subscribe to "Leadership Lighthouse" for the latest articles and exclusive content right to your inbox.

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Bob Galen's "Agile Moose"

Bob Galen's "Agile Moose" is a must-read for anyone interested in Agile practices, team dynamics, and personal growth within the tech industry. The newsletter features in-depth analysis, case studies, and actionable tips to help you excel in your Agile journey. Bob brings his extensive experience and thoughtful perspectives directly to you, covering everything from foundational Agile concepts to advanced techniques. Join a community of Agile enthusiasts and practitioners by subscribing to "Agile Moose."

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Open any hiring feed this year and you'll find a fresh list of skills for the AI era. Discernment. Judgment. Taste. Bob Galen and Josh Anderson think the list is fine. They just think it's old.

The human skills behind every team they're proud of (collaboration, coachability, comfort with ambiguity, a willingness to have the hard conversation) were always the job. AI picked up more of the technical work, and now everyone's noticing what was there the whole time.

Josh walks through how he hired a new squad every quarter at Dude Solutions without the whole thing resting on his shoulders. The team read Debugging Teams together so everyone shared the same picture of a great teammate. Then they wrote interview question sets for each trait and split them across the interview panel. When a hire missed, they treated it like a bug in the system and fixed the process before the next round.

Bob brings his attitude, aptitude, skills ordering, makes the case for working interviews where candidates spend an hour or two with the team, and draws a hard line on coachability. Josh pushes back with the people who've only ever worked for bad leaders and need someone to show them another way. (Bob agrees with him, which annoys Bob.)

They also get into neurodiversity and why "good teammate" can't mean "smiles a lot," why a team needs both the "yes we can" and the "no we can't" voices in the room, and why Josh wants you to hear one thing clearly: technical skill still matters. It's just easier to teach.

The hottest take on LinkedIn right now is that coding was never the bottleneck. Josh and Bob have hired hundreds of developers, sat through the "why is this taking so long" meetings, and lived through waterfall, so they're calling it: coding was slow, expensive, and scary, and pretending otherwise rewrites history.

But that's just the opening argument. The real conversation is about what happens after the bottleneck moves. Bob walks through the waterfall phases most of the audience never lived through (the 3-inch binder on the shelf, the Gantt charts, the near-infinite bug triage loop) and admits there's something from that era worth keeping. Josh shares a debate he's having with himself about whether code readability still matters when neither he nor his cofounder will ever read the code again, and traces it back to the day he argued his boss out of Hungarian notation because IntelliSense had made it pointless.

From there: the "ilities" and which one AI still struggles with most (Josh's answer is usability, by a wide margin), Bob's claim that the industry has been producing less skilled engineers for 25 years and AI just turned up the volume, a CTO who replaced a 9-year-old website in 3 months instead of a year, and why "AI plus HI" only works if the human intelligence part is still growing.

If you're an engineering leader deciding which standards to enforce on AI-generated code and which ones to retire, this is the episode.

Josh Anderson's "Leadership Lighthouse"

Dive deeper into the world of Agile leadership and management with Josh Anderson's "Leadership Lighthouse." This bi-weekly newsletter offers insights, tips, and personal stories to help you navigate the complexities of leadership in today's fast-paced tech environment. Whether you're a new manager or a seasoned leader, you'll find valuable guidance and practical advice to enhance your leadership skills. Subscribe to "Leadership Lighthouse" for the latest articles and exclusive content right to your inbox.

Subscribe here

Bob Galen's "Agile Moose"

Bob Galen's "Agile Moose" is a must-read for anyone interested in Agile practices, team dynamics, and personal growth within the tech industry. The newsletter features in-depth analysis, case studies, and actionable tips to help you excel in your Agile journey. Bob brings his extensive experience and thoughtful perspectives directly to you, covering everything from foundational Agile concepts to advanced techniques. Join a community of Agile enthusiasts and practitioners by subscribing to "Agile Moose."

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There's a squeeze on right now, and it's landing hardest on middle managers and senior leaders. Do more with less. Do more with the same. Lead the team and ship the code. The player-coach role used to be a startup thing, something you did because there were 6 of you and someone had to. Now it's being handed to leaders at scale, and most of them didn't ask for it.

Bob comes out swinging. He's fine with it in a small company, but past a certain size, he wants you to wear one hat and be excellent at it. He walks through what actually breaks when a CTO is also a team member: it's less about time and more about the role conflicts nobody talks about, like having to put your own architect on a PIP while you sit next to them every day.

Josh admits his first run as a leader was a failed player-coach experiment. He wasn't good at either job, and his team paid for it.

The conversation turns to capacity, and that's where it gets uncomfortable. Bob's first question in any agile engagement was "do you know your capacity?" and almost nobody did. Josh tells a story from his college weight room, a strength coach, and a set of 25 squats that should've been mathematically impossible, to argue that people have more in them than they think. Bob answers with the difference between stretching internally and committing externally, and why he'll happily overload anyone who never says no.

Then executive math. The belief that a million dollars or 10 new reqs turns into capacity on the day you sign the paperwork. Bob has a story from a financial services project where the plan assumed 120 people and the floor had 38, and nobody said a word until he did. Josh connects it to GitHub's outage problem in 2026: you can do more and still be getting worse.

What's in this episode:

• Two contexts where player coach is fine, and the size where it stops being fine
• Dilution vs tension: the hidden cost of leading people you also code with
• Bob's rule: if you keep saying yes, he'll keep loading you up, and that's his right
• The 25 squats story and what it says about untapped capacity
• Internal stretch goals vs external commitments (and why they're different numbers)
• Why Bob hates reserves and gives extra capacity straight to the business
• Capacity in 2026 is a moving target, and it doesn't only move up
• Executive math, and how it wins when you can't defend your own number
• Bad news never ages well

Bob's Badass Agile Coaching Days runs September 29 through October 1, 2026, virtual, 3 time zones, 12 speakers, all proceeds to Women in Agile and African Agility. Details at agile-moose.com.

Bob and Josh take on expectation inflation, the widening gap between what executives believe AI can do and what your team can actually deliver. Bob tells the bourbon and cigar story about a date he was committed to before anyone asked him. Josh makes the case that pushing back and accelerating aren't a choice, they're both the job. They argue about the 80/20 split, land on why you should narrate your team's improvements instead of burying them, and name the 3 rooms every engineering leader needs to be in.

Josh Anderson's "Leadership Lighthouse"

Dive deeper into the world of Agile leadership and management with Josh Anderson's "Leadership Lighthouse." This bi-weekly newsletter offers insights, tips, and personal stories to help you navigate the complexities of leadership in today's fast-paced tech environment. Whether you're a new manager or a seasoned leader, you'll find valuable guidance and practical advice to enhance your leadership skills. Subscribe to "Leadership Lighthouse" for the latest articles and exclusive content right to your inbox.

Subscribe here

Bob Galen's "Agile Moose"

Bob Galen's "Agile Moose" is a must-read for anyone interested in Agile practices, team dynamics, and personal growth within the tech industry. The newsletter features in-depth analysis, case studies, and actionable tips to help you excel in your Agile journey. Bob brings his extensive experience and thoughtful perspectives directly to you, covering everything from foundational Agile concepts to advanced techniques. Join a community of Agile enthusiasts and practitioners by subscribing to "Agile Moose."

Subscribe here

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We publish video versions of every episode and post them on our YouTube page.

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Love our content? Help us out by sharing on social media, rating our podcast/episodes on iTunes, or by giving to our Patreon campaign. Every time you give, in any way, you empower our mission of helping as many agilists as possible. Thanks for sharing!

Somebody finally sent Josh a message asking for help, and it turned into an episode. Bob and Josh break down every reason people talk themselves out of reaching out, what separates a good mentee from a one-reply conversation, and why coaching somebody else is how a coach stays sharp. The ask is free.

Josh Anderson's "Leadership Lighthouse"

Dive deeper into the world of Agile leadership and management with Josh Anderson's "Leadership Lighthouse." This bi-weekly newsletter offers insights, tips, and personal stories to help you navigate the complexities of leadership in today's fast-paced tech environment. Whether you're a new manager or a seasoned leader, you'll find valuable guidance and practical advice to enhance your leadership skills. Subscribe to "Leadership Lighthouse" for the latest articles and exclusive content right to your inbox.

Subscribe here

Bob Galen's "Agile Moose"

Bob Galen's "Agile Moose" is a must-read for anyone interested in Agile practices, team dynamics, and personal growth within the tech industry. The newsletter features in-depth analysis, case studies, and actionable tips to help you excel in your Agile journey. Bob brings his extensive experience and thoughtful perspectives directly to you, covering everything from foundational Agile concepts to advanced techniques. Join a community of Agile enthusiasts and practitioners by subscribing to "Agile Moose."

Subscribe here

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Love our content? Help us out by sharing on social media, rating our podcast/episodes on iTunes, or by giving to our Patreon campaign. Every time you give, in any way, you empower our mission of helping as many agilists as possible. Thanks for sharing!

Bob sings The Gambler and turns it into a leadership question. He quit a job after 4 days when he learned he'd been hired as the ax man. Josh called off an office redesign mid-move. A million-dollar pod experiment survived one day. Hold, fold, walk away, run, and the cost of doing none of them.

Josh Anderson's "Leadership Lighthouse"

Dive deeper into the world of Agile leadership and management with Josh Anderson's "Leadership Lighthouse." This bi-weekly newsletter offers insights, tips, and personal stories to help you navigate the complexities of leadership in today's fast-paced tech environment. Whether you're a new manager or a seasoned leader, you'll find valuable guidance and practical advice to enhance your leadership skills. Subscribe to "Leadership Lighthouse" for the latest articles and exclusive content right to your inbox.

Subscribe here

Bob Galen's "Agile Moose"

Bob Galen's "Agile Moose" is a must-read for anyone interested in Agile practices, team dynamics, and personal growth within the tech industry. The newsletter features in-depth analysis, case studies, and actionable tips to help you excel in your Agile journey. Bob brings his extensive experience and thoughtful perspectives directly to you, covering everything from foundational Agile concepts to advanced techniques. Join a community of Agile enthusiasts and practitioners by subscribing to "Agile Moose."

Subscribe here

Do More Than Listen:

We publish video versions of every episode and post them on our YouTube page.

Help Us Spread The Word: 

Love our content? Help us out by sharing on social media, rating our podcast/episodes on iTunes, or by giving to our Patreon campaign. Every time you give, in any way, you empower our mission of helping as many agilists as possible. Thanks for sharing!