John is joined by Melody Hoffman to ponder the Minneapolis City Council race in Ward 13 (all 13 council seats in the city are up for election). Incumbent Linea Palmisano is presenting herself as the steady hand with a familiar track record. Challenger Kate Mortenson calls this a battle of the moderates, and characterizes herself as the solutions-oriented leader with Palmisano as a "manager" of a failed status quo. John pushes back against Melody's contention that we're ethically obligated to talk about perennial candidate Bob "Again" Carney. We talk about the stakes of the 2023 election; why it's important to watch or listen to a debate so you can hear the candidates respond to questions at more length than a slogan on a mail piece; what Mortenson's Bryant Ave positions say about her transportation platform; why Palmisano's careful and politically tangled rhetoric can make it hard to pin down her positions; and how Melody's favorite thing to do lately is force a "hello" on neighbors passing by her home.