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Under nearly every video, photo, or post we make on the internet as two women clergy, there is at least one comment that says: "Paul has entered the chat." It's meant as a snarky condemnation of our work as women leaders in Christian faith, implying - as many believe - that St. Paul thought GOD thought women should never lead. Or speak. Or do anything interesting in church except maybe ...give money? 

Well, spoiler alert, as two women with six degrees and nine years of ordained ministry between us: we HAVE read the New Testament (a lot) and we are well aware what Paul says about women in ministry. And it's definitely not what the trolls seem to think. 

So we're here to bust open the myth and the cherry-picking of Scripture that wants to keep St. Paul and women clergy small and silent. Join us as we dive into 1 Timothy 2:11–15 and its contrast in Deacon Phoebe, whom we meet in Romans 16, and so many more texts that explore how much Paul actually worked with and empowered women clergy, and walk with us as we unravel some of the clobber texts that have been used to attempt to silence us. Because we've entered the chat, too. 

Articles we referenced/recommend for further reading:

Deacons and Diakonia in Early Christianity: https://discerningdeacons.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/What_did_Phoebe_s_position_and_ministry.pdf

Highly recommend following and reading the scholarship of Marg Mowczko here: https://margmowczko.com

... And some articles on 1 Timothy that get to bits we couldn't address in this episode due to time: 

On the Ephesus situation in 1 Timothy: https://margmowczko.com/1-timothy-212-unique-bible-verse/

On "being saved by childbearing:" https://margmowczko.com/saved-through-childbearing-1-timothy-215-meaning/

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“Mom, does God love boys more than girls?” was the question Mariko's daughter asked her that led her on the path that produced The Book of Belonging, a storytelling Bible to help the next generation of kids understand the rich diversity of God’s people, emphasizing identity, contemplation, and wonder.

How do we approach the complexity of Scripture in a way that tells the truth of God to our children, and to ourselves? How can we emphasize stories that tell the breadth and depth of God's love for all people? We called in two experts - Rachel Eleanor and Mariko Clark - who are fresh off the printing press with their new book, a storytelling Bible called The Book of Belonging, to talk to us about these big questions and give us a behind-the-scenes peak of their creative process! 

The Book of Belonging: https://www.thebookofbelonging.com

Mariko Clark: https://www.instagram.com/marikoclark/?hl=en

Rachel Eleanor: https://www.rachel-eleanor.com

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https://www.instagram.com/rev.lizzie/

https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie

Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org 

More about Mother Laura:

https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/

https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches

St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA

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Maybe "Biblical Womanhood" is the friends we made along the way.

Lizzie and Laura dive into Proverbs 31 in this week's episode.  Some Christians have interpreted this passage to be a literal picture of womanhood in a way that has been limiting and restrictive for women.   A close reading of this passage reveals that it offers a picture of how EVERYONE should strive to live as followers of Christ, not just women.  Join us for this lively discussion on this week's episode of And Also With You.

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PRE-ORDER HER BOOK: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/762683/god-didnt-make-us-to-hate-us-by-rev-lizzie-mcmanus-dail/ (if you like this episode in particular? You're really, really going to love this book!)

https://www.instagram.com/rev.lizzie/

https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie

Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org 

More about Mother Laura:

https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/

https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches

St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA

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In the pressure cooker of extracurriculars and the minefield of navigating autonomy and dependence, caring for teens can be tough in church. But that makes is all the more authentic, and important! Join us for a  warmhearted conversation with The Rev. Werner Ramirez, a youth pastor serving in NYC and new dad himself. 

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https://www.instagram.com/rev.lizzie/

https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie

Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org 

More about Mother Laura:

https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/

https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches

St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA

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New episodes drop Mondays at 7am EST/6am CST! 

Parenting breaks us and build us up, and somewhere in the mess of gathering around toddler tables and in the unutterable losses, God is with us. Sacraments are outward and visible signs of inward spiritual grace -- something we can see, taste, smell, touch, and hear -- that point us to a wild divine pattern interrupting our lives. Join us for a powerful conversation on how parenting and caregiving can be a sacramental act, and how to look for everyday moments that are actually seeped in the Holy, with Laura Kelly Fanucci, a theologian, writer, mother, and founder of Mothering Spirit. 

CONTENT NOTE: In the last 10 minutes of this episode, there is discussion of miscarriage, premature delivery, and infant loss.

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https://www.instagram.com/rev.lizzie/

https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie

Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org 

More about Mother Laura:

https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/

https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches

St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA

More about our guest, theologian Laura Kelley Fanucci:

Website: https://laurakellyfanucci.com

Mothering Spirit: https://motheringspirit.com

Substack: https://laurakellyfanucci.substack.com

@thismessygrace on instagram! 

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Featuring a lively and practical conversation with "progressive church lady" Allison Bird Treacy, we tackle the elephant in the room: church is great, but all faith really begins and is taught in the home. So ... how do we do that? Especially without it being forced, or weird, or otherwise an inorganic and miserable experience for everyone? 

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More about Father Lizzie:

PRE-ORDER HER BOOK: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/762683/god-didnt-make-us-to-hate-us-by-rev-lizzie-mcmanus-dail/

https://www.instagram.com/rev.lizzie/

https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie

Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org 

More about Mother Laura:

https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/

https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches

St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA

More about our guest, Allison Bird Treacy:

Substack: https://wigglesandwonder.substack.com/about

Consulting: https://www.abirdinchurch.com

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New episodes drop Mondays at 7am EST/6am CST! 

We are thrilled to be joined by two fellow Episcopal Clergy moms- the Rev. Canon Luz Cabrera Montes and the Rev. Hannah Pommersheim- in this episode as we have a conversation about bringing our faith home and sharing it with children!  This is the first episode in our miniseries on kids, teens, and faith — for caregivers and parents alike, but also for reparenting the inner child in all of us as we come to meet Jesus as though we were little children. 

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More about Father Lizzie:

PRE-ORDER HER BOOK: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/762683/god-didnt-make-us-to-hate-us-by-rev-lizzie-mcmanus-dail/

https://www.instagram.com/rev.lizzie/

https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie

Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org 

More about Mother Laura:

https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/

https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches

St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA

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"On Our Own Again" by Blue Dot Sessions (www.sessions.blue).

New episodes drop Mondays at 7am EST/6am CST! 

Welcome to season two of And Also With You! Laura and Lizzie are back with a few updates and a sneak peak at what is to come in this upcoming season. As always we are thankful for your support! We would be grateful if you would share this with a friend, leave us a review, and/or support us on Patreon so we can continue this work! https://www.patreon.com/AndAlsoWithYouPodcast

Who is the Holy Spirit?  How do we listen to Her in our lives?  We are joined by (our!) spiritual director Annalise Hume in today's episode.

What do we mean when we say we "follow Jesus" in church?  How do we follow Jesus in our lives? Today we are joined by with the Rev. Joseph Yoo who helps us answer these questions!