And Also With You

By The Reverend Lizzie McManus-Dail, The Reverend Laura Di PanfiloReligion & Spirituality Christianity Spirituality Religion

And Also With You episodes

October 12 What does St. Paul have to say about sin, evil, and death?
WHAT DOES ST. PAUL HAVE TO SAY ABOUT SIN, EVIL, AND DEATH?
Part 1 of 2 on St. Paul + Christian Nationalism with the one and only Mattie Mae Motl!
St. Paul has a LOT to say about sin, and evil, and death -- and a lot of what he has said, or is attributed as saying, has been used to do immense harm. But is that Paul, or how Paul has been used and abused? We're here with Mattie Mae Motl, Bible scholar and Instagram delight, whose entire dissertation asks the question: but what if Paul is MOTHER? Listen in to hear more!
More from Mattie Mae:
https://www.instagram.com/mattiemaemotl/?hl=en
https://mattiemaemotl.substack.com
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Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org
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More about Mother Laura:
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https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches
St. Brendan's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA - https://www.stbrendans.org
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32 min
October 05 What is the sin of "empire" and how do Christians resist it? With Kat Armas
We often talk about the dichotomy between the empire and the reign of God, or the kin-dom of God, or the Kingdom of Heaven. But what IS the empire, and why is is something Christians are called to resist? And how does this intersect with the sin of Christian Nationalism? Join us for a conversation with Kat Armas, author of Liturgies for Resisting Empire: Seeking Community, Belonging, and Peace in a Dehumanizing World as we tackle this question.
More about Kat Armas: https://katarmas.com
Kat Armas is a Cuban American writer, speaker, and theologian from Miami, FL. She holds a ThM from Vanderbilt Divinity School, and a dual MDiv and MAT from Fuller Theological Seminary where she was awarded the Frederick Buechner Award for Excellence in Writing.
Her first book, Abuelita Faith: What Women on the Margins Teach Us About Wisdom, Persistence and Strength, sits at the intersection of women, decolonialism, the Bible, and Cuban identity. Her second book, Sacred Belonging: A 40-day Devotional on the Liberating Heart of Scripture invites readers to encounter the Bible through a decolonized lens, lifting up themes of creation, wisdom, spirit, the body, and the feminine. Her third book Liturgies for Resisting Empire: Seeking Community, Belonging, and Peace in a Dehumanizing World examines the ideologies of empire that infiltrate daily life and offers a pathway toward liberation.
Kat has spoken at seminaries, universities, and conferences nationwide and her work has appeared in the National Catholic Reporter—where one of her essays was shared by the pope!, Plough Magazine, The Christian Century, Christianity Today, Sojornours Magazine, and more.
Kat currently lives on a small farm in middle Tennessee with her family—which includes her spouse, young children, chickens, goats, pigs, dogs, and cats.
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BOOK: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/762683/god-didnt-make-us-to-hate-us-by-rev-lizzie-mcmanus-dail/
RevLizzie.com
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https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie
Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org
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More about Mother Laura:
https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/
https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches
St. Brendan's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA - https://www.stbrendans.org
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New episodes drop Mondays at 7am EST/6am CST!
49 min
September 28 What is the role of white women in Christian Nationalism? With Live Laugh Love author, Kristin Kobes Du Mez
What is the role of white women in Christian Nationalism? With the author of Live Laugh Love and Jesus and John Wayne, Kristin Kobes Du Mez.
More about Dr. Du Mez and her incredible work and books: https://kristindumez.com
The MUCH anticipated new book from professor Kristin Kobes Du Mez is here: Live Laugh Love: The Secret History of White Christian Women and the World they Made. It is something of a companion to her NYT bestseller, Jesus and John Wayne. Whereas Jesus and John Wayne took a look at the roots and creation of an idolatrous vision of Jesus as ruggedly masculine and pro-Christian Nationalism, this book looks at the parallel process for women -- and this glittering, seductively saccharine world that is prone to abuse and manipulation. It was, as she said, "supposed to be fun." But it turned in something far more sinister. Listen in for more.
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BOOK: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/762683/god-didnt-make-us-to-hate-us-by-rev-lizzie-mcmanus-dail/
RevLizzie.com
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https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie
Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org
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More about Mother Laura:
https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/
https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches
St. Brendan's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA - https://www.stbrendans.org
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New episodes drop Mondays at 7am EST/6am CST!
1 hr 6 min
September 21 The Sin of Christian Nationalism
And Also With You is a podcast about reclaiming an ancient Christian faith for modern Christian life, helmed by two millennial women Episcopal priests and moms (Rev. Lizzie McManus-Dail and Rev. Laura Di Panfilo). For our fourth season we are diving deep into SIN, EVIL, and DEATH, and we're starting out with a bang: what is the sin of Christian Nationalism?
The theology of MAGA Christian nationalism has nuances, but the connective tissue is this: the world is not safe, and God must be defended from many, many enemies — and when God is defended on earth, God will reign over His chosen children with love, while exacting vengeance on everyone else. It is explicitly patriarchal even as it can empower women in positions of prestige and leadership, provided they are still “under” a man in some way. MAGA Christian nationalism creates communal identity based not so much on what Christian nationalists have in common, but on what they are against and, therefore, whom they must defeat.
But while MAGA Christian nationalism offered a tempting promise, its popularity is actually the self-consuming dragon ... and this is the nature of sin, evil, and death. So buckle up cutie pies, we're tearing this idol apart brick by brick.
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Lizzie's piece for The Preamble: https://thepreamble.com/cp/211884325
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BOOK: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/762683/god-didnt-make-us-to-hate-us-by-rev-lizzie-mcmanus-dail/
RevLizzie.com
https://www.instagram.com/rev.lizzie/
https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie
Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org
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More about Mother Laura:
https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/
https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches
St. Brendan's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA - https://www.stbrendans.org
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"On Our Own Again" by Blue Dot Sessions (www.sessions.blue).
New episodes drop Mondays at 7am EST/6am CST!
48 min
June 29 What is Confession?
Confessing our sins can be super liberating, but it is a practice that has been used to predatory ends. How do we approach "Confession" from a liberating standpoint, and what are ways we think about being forgiven as people who live in the real world? Join us for an enlivening, deep conversation with The Rev. Kelli Joyce on sin, confession, mercy, forgiveness, and what God has to do with it all.
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More about Father Lizzie:
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https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie
Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org
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More about Mother Laura:
https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/
https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches
St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA
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"On Our Own Again" by Blue Dot Sessions (www.sessions.blue).
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1 hr 1 min
June 22 What is Sin?
The idea of "sin" has been weaponized, especially against marginalized folks. We've brought our colleague, friend, and brilliant theologian The Rev. Dr. Patrick Cheng to speak with us on sin, and why we're not giving up on the idea of sin even as liberated Christians. Father Patrick is a prolific writer, thinker, and leader in the church; in this episode, we're talking especially about his book, From Sin to amazing Grace: Discovering the Queer Christ. If you like this episode, read his books! And tell your friends!
You can find more from Father Patrick on his website here: https://www.patrickcheng.net
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More about Father Lizzie:
BOOK: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/762683/god-didnt-make-us-to-hate-us-by-rev-lizzie-mcmanus-dail/
https://www.instagram.com/rev.lizzie/
https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie
Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org
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More about Mother Laura:
https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/
https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches
St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA
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"On Our Own Again" by Blue Dot Sessions (www.sessions.blue).
New episodes drop Mondays at 7am EST/6am CST!
55 min
June 15 What is Queer Ministry and Vocation?
What a weird and hard and scary time it is to be a queer person, and what a confusing time for both queer people and allies to understand alike to think through the relationship between the Christian faith and queerness, when so much is being said by Christians against queer and trans people. And yet, queer and trans and non-binary and gay and lesbian and bi Christians exist and more than arguments for our rights to exist, more than scriptural and theological underpinning for our legitimacy and our being made in the image of God, and certainly more than our flush assimilation into the structure and life of the church as it is and has been, gay and queer and trans people have unique and important faith and unique and important vocations within the church. We are joined by the Rev. Dr. Cameron Partridge in this week's discussion of queer ministry and vocation.
Cover 🎨: @the_red_boyy
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BOOK: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/762683/god-didnt-make-us-to-hate-us-by-rev-lizzie-mcmanus-dail/
https://www.instagram.com/rev.lizzie/
https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie
Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org
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More about Mother Laura:
https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/
https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches
St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA
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Theme music:
"On Our Own Again" by Blue Dot Sessions (www.sessions.blue).
New episodes drop Mondays at 7am EST/6am CST!
1 hr 10 min
June 08 Who is the Greedy Peasant?
Campy, funny, reverently irreverent -- we've all loved watching the Greedy Peasant's queer medieval fever dream unfold online. And we were thrilled when he said he'd come chat with us on the show! So join us for a fun, insightful, and moving conversation about art, playfulness, deconstructing from high control religion, and finding a path home to yourself.
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More about Father Lizzie:
BOOK: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/762683/god-didnt-make-us-to-hate-us-by-rev-lizzie-mcmanus-dail/
RevLizzie.com
https://www.instagram.com/rev.lizzie/
https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie
Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org
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More about Mother Laura:
https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/
https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches
St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA
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"On Our Own Again" by Blue Dot Sessions (www.sessions.blue).
New episodes drop Mondays at 7am EST/6am CST!
1 hr 1 min
May 18 100th Episode of And Also With You! (Season 3 Finale)
We can't believe it but here we are with our ONE HUNDREDTH EPISODE of And Also With You! If this podcast has helped you grow in your faith, would you consider supporting us with a donation?
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More about Father Lizzie:
BOOK: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/762683/god-didnt-make-us-to-hate-us-by-rev-lizzie-mcmanus-dail/
RevLizzie.com
https://www.instagram.com/rev.lizzie/
https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie
Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org
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More about Mother Laura:
https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/
https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches
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Theme music:
"On Our Own Again" by Blue Dot Sessions (www.sessions.blue).
New episodes drop Mondays at 7am EST/6am CST!
1 hr 3 min
April 27 Who is St. Julian of Norwich? PART 02
What does the raucous laughter of Nicki Minaj and Billy Graham have to do with 14th century saint?
Find out in PART TWO of our MOST requested episodes ever -- diving deep into the question "Who is Saint Julian of Norwich???" Author of Revelations of Divine Love, coiner of the phrase "All Shall Be Well," and delighter in God's delight, St. Julian is such a powerful visionary and leader we needed two episodes to do her justice.
We're joined again by the The Rev. Dr. Amy Laura Hall, one of Lizzie's professors from her time at Duke Divinity School.
In part two, we explore "Christ as our true mother," the nature of the devil, and we see how Julian has echoes for us to consider in today's religious landscape. We also get a little teaser for Dr. Hall's new book, out in May 2026, called ERECTING THE PULPIT: MUSCULAR CHRISTIANITY FROM TEDDY ROOSEVELT TO DONALD TRUMP.
Amy Laura Hall is Associate Professor of Christian Ethics and Gender, Sexuality, and Feminist Studies at Duke University, where she has taught since 1999. She is the author of four books, including Conceiving Parenthood: American Protestantism and the Spirit of Reproduction (2007) and Laughing at the Devil: Seeing the World with Julian of Norwich (2018). A noted authority on Christianity and culture in the U.S., Hall has also contributed provocative essays on Protestantism and politics to Religion Dispatches and Religion News Service.
Resources mentioned in this episode:
Laughing at the Devil: Seeing the World with Julian of Norwich by Amy Laura Hall https://www.dukeupress.edu/laughing-at-the-devil
Revelations of Divine Love by Julian of Norwich trans. by Elizabeth Spearing https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/261039/revelations-of-divine-love-by-julian-of-norwich-translated-by-elizabeth-spearing-introduction-and-notes-by-a-c-spearing/
Julian of Norwich and the Mystical Body Politic of Christ By Frederick Christian Bauerschmidt --https://undpress.nd.edu/9780268022082/julian-of-norwich/
The Writings of Julian of Norwich A Vision Showed to a Devout Woman and A Revelation of Love Edited by Nicholas Watson and Jacqueline Jenkins -- https://www.psupress.org/books/titles/0-271-02547-6.html?srsltid=AfmBOoopOJOEaY69eupR8Rx1uxzSJyVJpaSpLJKpJoHSPKAQ9ry8HPJY
Rev. Dr. Amy Laura Hall's works:
FORTHCOMING: Erecting the Pulpit: Muscular Christianity from Teddy Roosevelt to Donald Trump
https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/erecting-the-pulpit-9798216383475/
Laughing at the Devil: Seeing the World with Julian of Norwich by Amy Laura Hall https://www.dukeupress.edu/laughing-at-the-devil
https://arcmag.org/home-movies-for-holy-week/
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More about Father Lizzie:
BOOK: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/762683/god-didnt-make-us-to-hate-us-by-rev-lizzie-mcmanus-dail/
RevLizzie.com
https://www.instagram.com/rev.lizzie/
https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie
Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org
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More about Mother Laura:
https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/
https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches
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Theme music:
"On Our Own Again" by Blue Dot Sessions (www.sessions.blue).
New episodes drop Mondays at 7am EST/6am CST!
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About And Also With You

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A podcast on reclaiming an ancient Christian faith for modern Christian life, with the Reverend Lizzie McManus-Dail and the Reverend Laura Di Panfilo.