And Also With You

By The Reverend Lizzie McManus-Dail, The Reverend Laura Di Panfilo

A podcast on reclaiming an ancient Christian faith for modern Christian life, with the Reverend Lizzie McManus-Dail and the Reverend Laura Di Panfilo.... more

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December 25, 2025 Merry Christmas 2025!
Merry Christmas friends, from us and ... a surprise guest!!
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More about Father Lizzie:
BOOK: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/762683/god-didnt-make-us-to-hate-us-by-rev-lizzie-mcmanus-dail/
RevLizzie.com
https://www.instagram.com/rev.lizzie/
https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie
Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org
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More about Mother Laura:
https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/
https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches
St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA
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Theme music:
"On Our Own Again" by Blue Dot Sessions (www.sessions.blue).
New episodes drop Mondays at 7am EST/6am CST!
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December 22, 2025 What is the Nicene Creed? PART 07: Jesus Died and Rose Again with the Rev. Dr. Canon Kelly Brown Douglas
For part 7 of 12 on “What is the Nicene Creed?” we unpack these lines:
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
One of the wild things about the Creed is we go right from Jesus’ birth, via Mary, to his death, at the hands of Pontius Pilate. And yet, even wilder still, is that our God in Christ suffered death. The crucifixion – a death used by the Roman Empire to terrify and suppress enslaved people who rebelled – and the resurrection – are at the epicenter of Christian faith. What does it mean that Jesus died this way? What does it mean that on the third day, he rose? We are delighted and amazed to welcome to the podcast the inimitable Rev. Dr. Canon Kelly Brown Douglas, whose enormous work as priest, preacher, teacher, and writer, has long explored these questions.
More about our guest:
The Rev. Canon Kelly Brown Douglas is the Canon Theologian at the Cathedral and Visiting Professor of Theology at Harvard Divinity School for the 2024-25 and 2025-26 academic years. In 2017, she was named Dean of Episcopal Divinity School at Union Theological Seminary in New York City, and in 2019, she was appointed to the Bill and Judith Moyers Chair in Theology at Union. Kelly is considered a leader in the field of womanist theology, racial reconciliation, social justice, and sexuality and the Black church.
From 2017 to 2023, she was Dean of the Episcopal Divinity School at Union Theological Seminary and Professor of Theology. She was named the Bill and Judith Moyers Chair in Theology at Union in November 2019 where she is now Dean emeritus. She served as Interim President of Episcopal Divinity School from 2023-24. During the 2023 fall term, she served as Honorary Professor of Global Theology at Emmanuel Theological College in Liverpool, England.
Ordained as an Episcopal priest in 1983, Douglas currently serves as the Canon Theologian at the Washington National Cathedral and Anglican Communion Canon at Newcastle Cathedral in Newcastle, England.
Prior to Episcopal Divinity School at Union Theological Seminary, she served as Professor of Religion at Goucher College where she held the Susan D. Morgan Professorship of Religion and is now Professor Emeritus. Before Goucher, she was Associate Professor of Theology at Howard University School of Divinity (1987-2001) and Assistant Professor of Religion at Edward Waters College (1986-87). Douglas holds a master’s degree in theology and a PhD in systematic theology from Union.
Douglas is the author of many articles and several books including the 2023 Grawemeyer Award winning book, Resurrection Hope: A Future Where Black Lives Matter. Her academic work has focused on womanist theology, racial justice issues as well as sexuality and the Black church. Her current research interest involves expanding the moral imaginary in fostering a more just future.
Douglas proudly serves on the New York City Homeless Coalition Board and the Public Religion and Research Institute Board.
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More about Father Lizzie:
BOOK: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/762683/god-didnt-make-us-to-hate-us-by-rev-lizzie-mcmanus-dail/
RevLizzie.com
https://www.instagram.com/rev.lizzie/
https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie
Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org
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More about Mother Laura:
https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/
https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches
St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA
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Theme music:
"On Our Own Again" by Blue Dot Sessions (www.sessions.blue).
New episodes drop Mondays at 7am EST/6am CST!
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December 15, 2025 What is the Nicene Creed? PART 06: "The Virgin Mary" with Rev. Dr. Amey Victoria Adkins-Jones
For part 6 of 12 on “What is the Nicene Creed?” we unpack these lines:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man
The Virgin Mary is a powerful force in Christian imagination – meaning, whether you venerate her or are suspicious of folks “praying to” her, whether you grew up celebrating the many apparitions of Mary or vaguely only heard her referred to around Christmas, her role in Jesus’ life and our lives communicates what we believe about motherhood, virginity, women, and Jesus’ incarnation. So why is she included in the Creed? What about her presence, consent to bear the Christ child, and reproductive status made her significant enough to be the only human being referenced besides Pontius Pilate? Join Mary devotee (Rev. Lizzie), Mary skeptic (Rev. Laura), and our guest, Mariology expert (Rev. Dr. Amey Victoria Adkins-Jones) as we unpack these questions and more.
More about our guest:
Amey Victoria Adkins-Jones is Assistant Professor of Theology and Africana studies at the Candler School of Theology of Emory University, in Atlanta, Georgia. Adkins-Jones came to Candler from Boston College, where she served as Assistant Professor of Theology and African and African Diaspora Studies. A theologian and scholar of Black religion, she specializes in Mariology, Black feminist and womanist thought, and theological anthropology. A graduate of the University of Virginia and Duke Divinity School, she received her Ph.D. in Religion from Duke University in 2016 with a Certificate in Feminist Theory. She was the first Black woman to graduate from the doctoral program in Christian theology and ethics.
Her first monograph, Immaculate Misconceptions: A Black Mariology (Oxford University Press, June 2025), argues that "Mary is Black," and is a Black feminist theological account of the icon of the Black Madonna and the rise of the global sex trade. She is at work on a second book project, See No Evil, which explores how visual technologies and artificial intelligence impact public perception of violence and Black death, developing a theological framework for Black protest..

Outside of academia, Rev. Dr. Adkins-Jones is an ordained Baptist minister who frequently preaches and teaches around the country, and brings pastoral sensibility to her work centering social justice. She is a practicing birth worker (doula), a trained iconographer, and has a career background in UX Copywriting and Design. She joyfully shares life and builds community with her beloved spouse and four children in Atlanta, Georgia.
Instagram: @tomuchavail, @blackfuturesarchive
Web: adkinsjones.com
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More about Father Lizzie:
BOOK: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/762683/god-didnt-make-us-to-hate-us-by-rev-lizzie-mcmanus-dail/
RevLizzie.com
https://www.instagram.com/rev.lizzie/
https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie
Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org
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More about Mother Laura:
https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/
https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches
St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA
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Theme music:
"On Our Own Again" by Blue Dot Sessions (www.sessions.blue).
New episodes drop Mondays at 7am EST/6am CST!
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55min
December 08, 2025 What is the Nicene Creed? PART 05: The Incarnation
What does it mean that God takes on human flesh?
In our Nicene Creed series we're tackling these next lines:
Lines: Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
And we're talking with dear friend, mentor, and fellow church planter Rev. Lisa Yebuah, the lead pastor of Southeast Raleigh Table. We tackle the myths around the human body being a divine problem, what it means for our God to suffer and live as one of us, and why the incarnation has a robust meaning in our current political, spiritual, and theological landscape.
More about our guest, Rev. Lisa:
Reverend Lisa Yebuah currently serves as the Lead Pastor of the Southeast Raleigh Table, a United Methodist worshipping community located near downtown Raleigh. She’s a 1999 graduate of Wofford College and a 2004 graduate of Duke University Divinity School. What fuels her life in ministry is seeing people become their whole selves, and in turn, witnessing people live like and believe that the world can be collectively marked by liberation.
Reverend Yebuah is deeply invested in her local community, and works alongside organizations engaged in advocacy for affordable housing, a living wage, access to mental wellness resources, and equity in public education. Most would describe Lisa as a glutton for joy, a lover of people and the enneagram, a self-professed party-starter, and a biscuit connoisseur. She also admits to having a slight obsession with “Abbott Elementary” and “The Office,” and hopes that one day 90’s R&B becomes required listening.
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More about Father Lizzie:
BOOK: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/762683/god-didnt-make-us-to-hate-us-by-rev-lizzie-mcmanus-dail/
RevLizzie.com
https://www.instagram.com/rev.lizzie/
https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie
Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org
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More about Mother Laura:
https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/
https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches
St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA
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Theme music:
"On Our Own Again" by Blue Dot Sessions (www.sessions.blue).
New episodes drop Mondays at 7am EST/6am CST!
...more
53min
December 01, 2025 What is the Nicene Creed? PART 04: One Lord, Jesus Christ
In our Nicene Creed series we're tackling these next lines:
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
And we're joined by the wonderful Rev. future-Dr. Jacob Breeze My LinkedIn-y bio sounds like this:
My congregational experience spans nearly two decades across diverse settings—from revitalizing a small rural parish in North Carolina to strategic leadership in two large, complex organizations with thousands of members and multi-million dollar budgets.
I'm the founder of Holy Family Episcopal, a thriving church for people without a church in Houston's East End, where I lead a 13-person staff and steward a campus housing the LAR Gallery.
In the Diocese of Texas, I teach theology at the Iona School for Ministry, serve as an Examining Chaplain, and train and mentor new clergy. My congregational experience spans nearly two decades across diverse settings—from revitalizing a small rural parish in North Carolina to strategic leadership in two large, complex organizations with thousands of members and multi-million dollar budgets.
I'm currently a PhD candidate in Systematic Theology at Aberdeen. He is an artist, student, and love hanging out with my family and friends. an artist, student, and love hanging out with my family and friends.

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More about Father Lizzie:
BOOK: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/762683/god-didnt-make-us-to-hate-us-by-rev-lizzie-mcmanus-dail/
RevLizzie.com
https://www.instagram.com/rev.lizzie/
https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie
Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org
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More about Mother Laura:
https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/
https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches
St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA
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Theme music:
"On Our Own Again" by Blue Dot Sessions (www.sessions.blue).
New episodes drop Mondays at 7am EST/6am CST!
...more
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November 24, 2025 What is the Nicene Creed? PART 03: "The Father, the Almighty"
Ok, so if God is not a sky daddy, nor actually gendered at all ... why does our definitive statement of faith say God is our "Father"? Why is God the Father, the Almighty? And what do two women who are priests and devout Christians and feminists have to say about all of this language? Does this 1700 year old prayer still hold up?
Resources mentioned in this episode:
Rev. Lizzie talks about a video with three archbishops -- they are Archbishop Angaelos (Coptic Orthodox), Archbishop Bernard Longley (Roman Catholic), and Rowan Williams (former Archbishop of Canterbury) from BBC's Songs of Praise hosted by Pam Rhodes, the program celebrated the 1,700th anniversary of the Nicene Creed and discussed its significance for Christian unity, with a broadcast date of Sunday, October 19, 2025, on BBC One. The clip: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DP6v--sjG9m/
Article by Dr. Karen O'Donnell https://karenodonnell.org.uk/research-papers/can-a-feminist-say-the-nicene-creed
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More about Father Lizzie:
BOOK: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/762683/god-didnt-make-us-to-hate-us-by-rev-lizzie-mcmanus-dail/
RevLizzie.com
https://www.instagram.com/rev.lizzie/
https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie
Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org
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More about Mother Laura:
https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/
https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches
St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA
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Theme music:
"On Our Own Again" by Blue Dot Sessions (www.sessions.blue).
New episodes drop Mondays at 7am EST/6am CST!
...more
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November 17, 2025 Jesus is the Reason for the Season ... but like, in a cool way (with Meredith Miller!)
A brief pause in our Nicene Creed miniseries (fret not, it returns next week!) to talk about *clears throat, scary voice ensues* THE HOLIDAYS.
Ok look: we agree. Jesus IS the reason for the season. We're on the precipice of tHe HoLiDaYs and all the madness therein. It's so easy to get sucked into the capitalist machine of Christmas and miss ... Christ. But so much of the energy around "Jesus is the Reason" also feels treacherously coded. How do we navigate this ourselves? And how do we teach our kids that Jesus is the reason, while keeping a sense of wonder and magic alive? How do we do so in a way that engenders respect for people of other faiths and none? We pose these questions with the wonderful Meredith Miller, expert in raising kids with a faith they don't need to heal from.
More about Pastor Meredith:
Website: https://meredithannemiller.com
Book: https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/meredith-miller/woven/9781546004356/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/meredithannemiller/?hl=en
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More about Father Lizzie:
BOOK: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/762683/god-didnt-make-us-to-hate-us-by-rev-lizzie-mcmanus-dail/
RevLizzie.com
https://www.instagram.com/rev.lizzie/
https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie
Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org
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More about Mother Laura:
https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/
https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches
St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA
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Theme music:
"On Our Own Again" by Blue Dot Sessions (www.sessions.blue).
New episodes drop Mondays at 7am EST/6am CST!
...more
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November 10, 2025 What is the Nicene Creed? PART 02: "One God"
The Nicene Creed is the definitive statement defining Christianity for most Christians, around the world, throughout most of time. Love it or hate it, the Creed binds us together. And since our entire project at And Also With You is reclaiming an ancient Christian faith for modern Christian life, we thought it time to dive deep into this Creed -- to show how this 1700 year old prayer holds up and how we are following it still today.
And it opens with a banger: We believe in One God. But in... three persons? What does that mean, exactly? How does faith in the Trinity inform our life? Like, does it matter that we say this? (It clearly does, we say it a lot but ... why?)
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More about Father Lizzie:
BOOK: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/762683/god-didnt-make-us-to-hate-us-by-rev-lizzie-mcmanus-dail/
RevLizzie.com
https://www.instagram.com/rev.lizzie/
https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie
Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org
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More about Mother Laura:
https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/
https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches
St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA
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Theme music:
"On Our Own Again" by Blue Dot Sessions (www.sessions.blue).
New episodes drop Mondays at 7am EST/6am CST!
...more
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November 03, 2025 What is the Nicene Creed? PART 01 with Dr. Hannah Black, Ph.D.
The Nicene Creed is *the* definitive statement of faith for what Christianity is for most Christians, around the world, throughout most of time. Love it or hate it, the Creed binds us together. And since our entire project at And Also With You is reclaiming an ancient Christian faith for modern Christian life, we thought it time to dive deep into this Creed -- to show how this 1700 year old prayer holds up and how we are following it still today. But the fact that we HAVE a creed (other religions don't really do this) and that is came from these series of big ol' committee meetings is actually a really fascinating thing to unpack, for for our first of twelve episodes exploring the Creed, we're delighted to welcome Dr. Hannah Black, Ph.D. to orient us to the Creed as a historical and spiritual document.
More about Dr. Hannah Black, Ph.D.:
Dr. Hannah Black earned her PhD in Divinity from the University of Cambridge in 2023, with her doctoral dissertation entitled “Gregory of Nyssa’s Soteriological Imaginary as a Resource for Nonviolent Soteriology.” Dr. Black’s doctoral research will be published as a book in the near future, which will focus on how Gregory of Nyssa’s use of biblical imagery can be used to build upon feminist and womanist critiques of violent atonement theology. Dr. Black is also contracted with St. Vladimir’s Press to produce a Popular Patristics Series translation of seven short works by Gregory of Nyssa surrounding the theme of the life of virtue.
At the University of Cambridge, Dr. Black was the Decani Scholar of Clare College Chapel, where she served as a lay leader in the Church of England. She was also editor of the divinity graduate journal Noesis and founder Women in Divinity. She currently serves on the leadership teams of Theologia and the Feminist Theology Network.
Dr. Black has taught at the University of Cambridge, Berkeley Divinity School at Yale, and Yale Divinity School. Her teaching has included the subjects of early Christianity, theology and literature, systematic theology, Greek, and Anglican and Episcopalian history. While at Yale, Dr. Black hosted The Leader’s Way podcast for two years, convening conversations about theology, spirituality, and leadership with church leaders and scholars.
Beyond teaching and writing, Dr. Black enjoys hiking with her husband Griffin and their dog Nellie and learning new crafts, like knitting.

Dr. Hannah Black article for Earth & Altar
“Scripture scrapbook”
Athanasius’ On the Incarnation (Popular Patrictics Series, 44b)
https://www.christianbook.com/on-the-incarnation-saint-athanasis/9780881414271/pd/414276?en=google&event=SHOP&kw=academic-0-20%7C414276&p=1179710&utm_source=google&p=1237749&dv=c&cb_src=google&cb_typ=shopping&cb_cmp=21328467087&cb_adg=164336762792&cb_kyw=&utm_medium=shopping&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=21328467087&gbraid=0AAAAAD_dTHbGl-v2rkxnnGf4RH6r_V_dy&gclid=Cj0KCQjwnovFBhDnARIsAO4V7mDCyrTi3xWqIAhN5Y8vNVHAvydf9SVCSKz83-WiZNx3zEuQCYWh02MaArrAEALw_wcB
Biblical Time Machine episode with Sara Parvis
https://www.biblicaltimemachine.com/listen-to-episodes/tnrzrx5darp7hnj-lz388-cw5dc-5zr8e-c98pn-7cd82-3dw4w-pk39b-krhb4-dmpzj-9chdk-ff3f4-rrjnw-wx4zs-2pkb4-6yyxm-saw97-ytnrg-y5w99-brayd-fhhce-f7tc6-7grnw-bmbcl-njl3f-79gbr
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More about Father Lizzie:
BOOK: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/762683/god-didnt-make-us-to-hate-us-by-rev-lizzie-mcmanus-dail/
RevLizzie.com
https://www.instagram.com/rev.lizzie/
https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie
Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org
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More about Mother Laura:
https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/
https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches
St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA
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Theme music:
"On Our Own Again" by Blue Dot Sessions (www.sessions.blue).
New episodes drop Mondays at 7am EST/6am CST!
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58min
October 27, 2025 Are we all Hell Bent? With Brian Recker
Just in time for Halloween, we're talking about the spookiest thing of all: HELL. Or better yet - a belief in hell. Christianity's obsession with hell has us missing out on love, freedom, connection, and justice without punishment. We're joined today by bestselling author Brian Recker to talk about hell, how we unravel its chokehold on our faith, and what life can look like free from this fear.
Brian's book Hell Bent is here!
Lizzie's book (which we also talk about in this episode) is here!
We have one more fun seasonal episode next week before we kick off the much-anticipated miniseries on the Nicene Creed on November 10th!
MORE ABOUT BRIAN + HELL BENT:
A former evangelical pastor explains why we can stop worrying about hell and start focusing on love.

There is a black hole at the center of Christian spirituality: the doctrine of hell. No matter how hard we try to believe in a loving God, the fear of eternal torment always lurks at the back of our minds, warping our sense of what love means. Worse still, many churches act as if the point of Christianity is not to follow Jesus but to secure a get-out-of-hell-free card—and to “save” everyone you know by converting them to your religion. For many of us, the whole story of Christianity has punishment at the very center. But does the Bible really say we’re going to hell if we don’t do or believe the “right” things?

In this taboo-shattering book, former evangelical pastor Brian Recker takes an honest look at scripture and reveals what has been true all along: Hell isn’t real, and God’s universal love is radically inclusive, in this life and the next. By removing punishment from Christianity’s center, Recker boldly reimagines the core questions of faith, such as why Jesus lived and died, and what it means to be “saved.” It’s time to rediscover spirituality as Jesus taught it: loving God, and loving our neighbors as ourselves. Whether you’re Christian, exvangelical, or anywhere along a deconstruction journey, Hell Bent is the perfect resource to help you replace fear and church hurt with healing and peace.
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More about Father Lizzie:
BOOK: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/762683/god-didnt-make-us-to-hate-us-by-rev-lizzie-mcmanus-dail/
RevLizzie.com
https://www.instagram.com/rev.lizzie/
https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie
Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org
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More about Mother Laura:
https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/
https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches
St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA
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"On Our Own Again" by Blue Dot Sessions (www.sessions.blue).
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