Today’s guest is a British sensation whose sound defies convention and whose rise has been anything but ordinary. With a style rooted in drum and bass, alt-pop, and early 2000s nostalgia, she’s redefined what it means to make bedroom pop in the digital age. Her songwriting is both diaristic and enigmatic, managing to say more in two minutes than most can in five. From viral fame to global stages, she’s built a world that’s entirely her own—introspective, stylish, and sonically daring. A true creative force who writes, produces, and performs with instinct and intention. From across the pond, the future is bright… And the wrier is… PinkPantheress!

00:00 – Intro

00:42 – Meet PinkPantheress

01:16 – The Self-Made Artist

05:02 – Growing Up Multicultural

09:49 – Emo, Piano & Early Music Obsession

13:03 – Building Her Unique Sound

16:26 – UK vs US Music Culture

21:04 – Not Chasing Numbers

23:01 – You Can’t Teach Taste

24:19 – Producing & Industry Bias

30:23 – Ad Read: NMPA + Peer Music

32:00 – Producing at 17 & Avoiding Media

34:06 – TikTok Fame Without Trying

38:22 – From Anonymous to Recognized

41:00 – Live Shows & Internal Standards

44:29 – Perfectionism & Learning in Public

45:04 – Writing 'Pain' in Her Dorm

46:31 – 'Boys a Liar' & Airbnb Vocals

50:16 – Taste as Her Superpower

52:15 – New Single & Feedback Avoidance

53:43 – Teasing the Next Song

54:59 – Dream Artists to Produce

55:27 – Where the Name Came From

55:32 – If She Started from Zero Today

57:05 – The Truth About Taste

58:12 – Rapid Fire: Bath, Family, Identity

58:57 – Final Thoughts: Breaking Through in the US

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Today’s guest is a British sensation whose sound defies convention and whose rise has been anything but ordinary. With a style rooted in drum and bass, alt-pop, and early 2000s nostalgia, she’s redefined what it means to make bedroom pop in the digital age. Her songwriting is both diaristic and enigmatic, managing to say more in two minutes than most can in five. From viral fame to global stages, she’s built a world that’s entirely her own—introspective, stylish, and sonically daring. A true creative force who writes, produces, and performs with instinct and intention. From across the pond, the future is bright… And the artist is… Pink Pantheress!

00:00 – Intro

00:42 – Meet PinkPantheress 

01:16 – The Self-Made Artist 

05:02 – Growing Up Multicultural 

09:49 – Emo, Piano & Early Music Obsession 

13:03 – Building Her Unique Sound 

16:26 – UK vs US Music Culture 

21:04 – Not Chasing Numbers 

23:01 – You Can’t Teach Taste 

24:19 – Producing & Industry Bias 

30:23 – Ad Read: NMPA + Peer Music

32:00 – Producing at 17 & Avoiding Media 

34:06 – TikTok Fame Without Trying 

38:22 – From Anonymous to Recognized 

41:00 – Live Shows & Internal Standards 

44:29 – Perfectionism & Learning in Public 

45:04 – Writing 'Pain' in Her Dorm 

46:31 – 'Boys a Liar' & Airbnb Vocals 

50:16 – Taste as Her Superpower 

52:15 – New Single & Feedback Avoidance 

53:43 – Teasing the Next Song 

54:59 – Dream Artists to Produce 

55:27 – Where the Name Came From 

55:32 – If She Started from Zero Today 

57:05 – The Truth About Taste 

58:12 – Rapid Fire: Bath, Family, Identity 

58:57 – Final Thoughts: Breaking Through in the US

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Today’s guest is one of the most original minds in modern music—a genre-defying powerhouse who returns to this podcast six years after his first unforgettable visit. Hailing from Long Island, this producer, performer, and lyrical architect has built a sonic universe entirely his own. He’s the mastermind behind cinematic pop records that blur the line between the underground and the mainstream, with a resume that spans from crafting platinum hits for chart-toppers to delivering soul-baring solo projects that redefine authenticity. Now a father of three, his creativity has only deepened, as he balances vulnerability and virtuosity with relentless hustle. He’s not just a hitmaker—he’s a visionary, a builder, and a storyteller for a generation that craves depth. And the writer is… Jon Bellion!

Episode Timestamps:

0:00 Bellion’s Return & Industry Fire 

0:36 Ross ATWI Intro

2:05 Supporting Songwriters’ Rights 

2:41 Jon Bellion Returns After 6 Years 

3:56 Jon vs. the Algorithm 

6:56 AI, Effort & Meaning 

9:22 Craft Over Convenience 

11:57 Identity, Process & Philosophy 

18:21 Credit, Ego & Industry Power 

25:32 Sponsor Message from NMPA

27:09 Staying Dangerous with Purpose 

32:06 Becoming the Label 

45:07 Removing Ego from the Process 

50:41 Returning to Joy in Creation 

54:58 Art vs. Math in Production 

57:23 Hits Beyond the U.S. 

1:05:16 On Raising Creative Kids 

1:07:52 Jon's Words of Advice to His Younger Self

1:18:06 Grief, Healing & Writing Through Loss 

1:22:32 What Success Really Means in 2025 

1:25:00 Writing vs. Recognition 

1:47:58 ATWI Credits & Closing Reflections

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Today’s guest is a genre-shifting phenomenon who’s redefining what it means to break through in music today. With a sound that fuses indie, alt-pop, R&B, and emo influences, he’s crafted a raw, emotionally charged catalog that’s connected with a generation—and he did it all from his sister’s closet on a phone. In just a few years, his music has racked up billions of streams, topping global charts and earning him a fiercely loyal fanbase. But beyond the numbers, he’s an artist who leads with vulnerability, reshaping how young creators think about art, success, and authenticity. He’s not just making songs—he’s shifting culture, and sharing how at the same time.

And the writer is… D4vd!

0:00 Trailer Hook — Billion Streams Surprise 

1:32 Intro — From Phone to Playlist 

3:15 Growing Up — Early Life and Music Influences 

8:45 First Uploads — BandLab, YouTube, and Finding His Sound 

13:20 Going Viral — The Moment Everything Changed 

17:50 Pressure and Expectations — How He Handled the Blow-Up 

20:42 My Process — How I Make Music on a Phone 

23:10 Behind the Hits — How ‘Here With Me’ + ‘Romantic Homicide’ Happened 

26:17 What SZA Told Me That Changed Everything 

34:08 Advice for Young Artists — Make Music Nobody Wants 

36:09 Beyond Music — Directing, Acting, Manga Dreams 

43:35 Disrupting the Industry — Freaking Out the Business 

44:40 Validation Moment — Sitting Where Legends Sit

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Today’s guest is a Latin music powerhouse whose pen has changed the game globally. With a genre-defying catalog that spans regional Mexican, reggaeton, pop, and bachata, he’s crafted chart-topping hits that cross borders and break records. His work has earned him 26 Grammy wins, making him one of the most decorated writers in the industry today. But beyond the accolades, he’s a true musical chameleon—effortlessly fusing cultural roots with modern sounds to create melodies that resonate worldwide. He brings heart, hustle, and authenticity to everything he touches.

And the writer is… Edgar Barrera!

Timestamp | Chapter Title

00:00 | Intro and Sponsor

00:45 | Meet Your Host: Ross Golan

01:08 | Follow @AndTheWriterIs

01:17 | Presented by NMPA

02:09 | Guest Introduction: Edgar Barrera

03:00 | How Edgar Became a Hitmaker

06:30 | Global Success and Crossover Hits

10:00 | Writing for Regional Mexican Artists

15:00 | Secrets Behind Chart-Topping Songs

19:00 | Challenges and Pressure of Success

23:00 | Building a Cross-Cultural Career

28:00 | The Power of Simplicity in Songwriting

32:00 | Lessons from Collaborating with Legends

37:00 | How Edgar Approaches Artist Development

42:00 | Staying Grounded Amid Global Fame

47:00 | Behind The Scenes of Major Hits

52:00 | Edgar’s Advice to the Next Generation

57:00 | Wrapping Up: Gratitude and Staying Inspired

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Today’s guest is the mastermind behind some of the most captivating sounds in modern R&B and pop. With an ear for creating melodies that feel as intimate as they do expansive, he’s responsible for shaping hits that make you feel everything from joy to heartbreak. Whether he's behind the boards or penning the perfect lyrics, his ability to blend vulnerability with irresistible hooks has made him a go-to collaborator for some of the biggest names in music. From soulful ballads to undeniable bangers, his tracks are the ones that never leave your head—and always leave you wanting more. 

And the producer and songwriter is...Dernst "D'Mile" Emile II!

00:00 - Cold Open: Gaga, Bruno & a Midnight Session 

00:28 - Intro: Welcome to And The Writer Is  

01:22 - How D’Mile Got His Name  

05:10 - Growing Up with Jazz, Gospel & Biggie  

10:30 - Producing His First Song at Age 6  

12:15 - Almost Signed to Universal at 19  

16:45 - Rodney Jerkins & Darkchild Studio Era  

21:05 - 9 Creatives in a 3-Bedroom Apartment  

25:30 - Inspiration vs. Competition in the Come-Up  

27:20 - D’Mile Nearly Quit Music in 2017  

34:17 - The Comeback: Lucky Daye & Victoria Monét  

38:16 - How Silk Sonic Started from One Song  

46:44 - Making “Leave the Door Open”  

50:18 - “Die With A Smile” feat. Gaga & Bruno  

51:58 - Producing the Artist’s Soul  

59:00 - Copy-Paste Industry vs. Timeless Records  

01:01:08 - Final Thoughts: Doing It His Way

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Today’s guest is a genre-defying vocal powerhouse who’s been taking the music world by storm. Raised in the South with a love for soul, country, R&B, and rock, he blended these influences into an unmistakable style that’s all his own. With a voice that’s as powerful as it is emotive, he doesn’t just sing—he connects, turning raw, soulful covers into hits and proving he’s more than just a voice. He’s a true artist and songwriter who’s crafted songs about love, loss, and everything in between, resonating with millions around the world. Oh, and did we mention he’s one of the nicest guys you’ll ever meet? If you haven’t heard his music yet, trust us, you’ll want to.

And the writer is... Teddy Swims

Timestamp | Chapter Title

00:00 | Quick Message from Our Sponsor

01:43 | Meet Your Host: Ross Golan

02:39 | Teddy Swims: From Georgia to Global

03:30 | Leaving Football Behind for Music

08:00 | Finding His Voice Through Theater

12:30 | Tattoos, Identity, and Early Reinvention

17:00 | First Bands, Bad Songs, and Growing Up

21:50 | Sponsor Break

22:00 | The Dark Side of Touring and Mental Health

26:30 | Why Teddy Started Therapy (and How It Changed Him)

31:00 | Songwriting Camps, Magic, and the "Elf Theory"

35:30 | How Teddy Learned to Choose Songs Like a Pro

40:00 | The Origin of "Teddy Swims" (and a Crazy Early Tour)

44:00 | How Covers Blew Up Teddy’s Career During the Pandemic

47:00 | Signing with Warner: Building a Real Career

50:00 | Losing Faith, Rebuilding, and Finding His Sound

53:00 | Breaking Out with "Lose Control"

56:00 | What It Takes to Really Make It (Lessons Learned)

58:00 | 5 for 5: Teddy Swims Rapid Fire Q&A

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We’re excited to announce a special bonus interview with Sung Cho, the CEO & Founder of our incredible sponsor, Chartmetric. Ross recently sat down with Sung to discuss how his company is building the world’s best analytics team in the music industry. Read below to find out more about Chartmetric and listen to this conversation on any platform you find your podcasts!

Chartmetric is the all-in-one platform for artists and music industry professionals, providing comprehensive streaming, social, and audience data. Since 2016, Chartmetric has strived to ensure everyone can have a successful career in music. Their easy-to-understand and powerful analytics on over 10 million artists and 100 million tracks will help answer all of your questions, from tracking your stats to discovering new talents. From playlist placements to stream counts to follower demographics and much more, it’s never been easier to understand how your artists fit in the music industry, and how they can grow. What’s even better is that Chartmetric does the work for you, providing actionable insights and beautiful visuals on their up-to-date global data from over 15 different social and streaming platforms. Find out more at chartmetric.com!

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Today’s guest is a true jack-of-all-trades—part artist, part entrepreneur, and full-on icon. From nurturing a die-hard fanbase to dominating the charts across genres, he’s built an empire over the course of his incredible career. This diamond certified superstar is the pride of Pittsburgh and has proven time and time again that you can do it all—and do it well.

And The Writer Is…Wiz Khalifa!

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Today’s guest is the definition of a songwriting legend! With a record-breaking 76 #1 hits (and counting), 10 ASCAP Songwriter of the Year awards, and the title of NSAI Songwriter of the Decade for 2010-2019, he’s set a standard that’s hard to match. His songs have dominated the charts and sound-tracked lives, earning him Grammy, CMA, and ACM nominations and wins along the way. But behind the stats is a humble, hardworking collaborator whose passion for music and dedication to the songwriting community make him one of the most respected names in the game. He’s the guy behind the hits and the inspiration behind the hustle.

And The Writer Is…Ashley Gorley!

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