May Boeve talks with Annie Leonard and Andre Carothers, longtime movement leaders and co-authors of the new critically acclaimed book, Protest: Respect It. Defend It. Use It. (Patagonia), about why protest remains one of democracy’s most essential tools, and why it is under such intense attack right now. Anne and Andre trace the idea behind the book: helping people see that the rights and freedoms many of us take for granted Together, they explore the rising threats to protest, from vilification and anti-protest laws to SLAPP suits, regulatory harassment, violence, and self-censorship, while also making the case that solidarity is what helps people stay brave. 

Plus: reflections on The Story of Stuff, Rockwood Leadership Institute, worm composting, and the magic of getting a whole room to sing.

How We Build This is created and hosted by May Boeve

Producer: Phil Surkis

Theme music: ‘Within’, composed by Ruthie Dineen, and performed by Negative Press Project.

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