Another Way

This is a very special conversation with a dear friend and brother of mine, Joshua Payne. Josh and I have done so much together in the last 6 years since meeting in his job interview for The Man Cave, and today we sat down to talk about his Bucks Party, or as he renamed it, his Bucks Portal.

Bucks parties are realistically designed to celebrate a man stepping into becoming a Husband, but unfortunately we have lost the meaning and significance behind this event. And, Joshua wanted to do something about that and make it a truly memorable weekend that prepared him for his wedding. He recruited his nearest and dearest, including myself, to create a weekend for him that would do this.

This is a juicy conversation about: 

• Rites of Passage and why they should be intentionally re-integrated back into society

• What it means to Josh to become a Husband and choose to get married

• Why he wanted his Bucks Party to instead be a 3-day, intentional Rite of Passage

• How we designed the weekend, including sharing a few key moments!

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Bio

As a seasoned professional with over 6 years of experience in the coaching and mentorship domain, Joshua has worked with thousands of individuals nationwide. Serving as a senior facilitator at The Man Cave, a renowned preventive mental health and emotional intelligence charity, Joshua has personally guided over 5000 young men towards embodying healthy masculinity, while also providing world-class facilitation training and emotional support to fellow facilitators/role models within the organisation. 

Beyond his extensive role at The Man Cave, Joshua has continued to expand his impact by designing and delivering leadership and character development programs for organisations such as Movember, Monash University, The Olympic Committee, and The Rites of Passage Institute, spanning various age groups.

Now Joshua is stepping forward and birthing an offering of his own. 

“Your Window” is a brand new coaching and mentorship program that is the cultivation of all the tools and resources Joshua has been deeply initiated into across 6 years of facilitating and participating in various trainings worldwide. The concept behind 'Your Window’, which offers group and 1:1 support to both men and women, revolves around the idea that individuals experience life through their unique lens shaped by their emotions, their belief systems, their wounding, and their core memories.

These core memories we have experienced and the pain we have endured across the timeline of our lives often fogs up our window, leading us to see the world, ourselves, and others through a distorted lens. Through compassionate witnessing and gentle guidance, Joshua will support and empower you in cleaning your window, creating a far clearer connection to your fullest expression, deepest desires, and your own sovereign power. 

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Joshua Payne

IG - https://www.instagram.com/joshen.around/ 

Matt Defina

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LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewdefina/ 

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/matt.defina/ 

Another Way

IG - https://www.instagram.com/anotherway.au/ 

Website - www.anotherway.au 

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A new, monthly community gathering for the holistic health community of Melbourne

https://www.anotherway.au/basecamp

The Kilimanjaro Experience - 2024 

https://mountainsandmarathons.world/thekilimanjaroexperience-matt/ 

Julia Vogl is an Australian Journalist, Video Communication Coach, now a good friend AND a personal coach of mine. She was also on MAFS Australia in 2026 and has been outspoken about her participation in the show.

Her credentials include working for Australian Primetime TV shows like The Project on Channel Ten, Channel Nine, Hoyts and Foxtel, as well as newspapers and digital platforms like Cut.com spanning the last decade in Australia, the UK, and Indonesia.

She is renowned for her razor-sharp wit, her love for bright popping colours, and a true dedication to bringing out the 'REAL' in all those she meets. 

Her penchant for provocative video creation extends across entertainment, sport, music and celebrity having interviewed the likes of Cher, Harrison Ford, Kate Winslet, Matthew McConaughey, Justin Timberlake, Baz Lurhmann and many more.

Julia’s unique personality and willingness to turn her flaws into her flair have been her edge in standing out from the saturated market that is social media.

Julia is currently based in Melbourne Australia, running online programs for On Camera Confidence and also in person public speaking workshops. 

On this episode, we talk about: 

• How to build an iconic brand and business

• How to show up with confidence on Camera

• Julia’s personal journey with mental health and an eating disorder

• Her favourite Hollywood A-Lister that she interviewed (it’s epic) 

• How to do all the above, sustainably AND enjoy it along the way 

Julia Vogl

IG - https://www.instagram.com/juliavogl_/ 

Talk Is Cheap Academy

Website - https://www.talkischeapacademy.com/ 

Matt Defina

IG - https://www.instagram.com/mattdefina_/ 

LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewdefina/ 

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/matt.defina/ 

Another Way

IG - https://www.instagram.com/anotherway.au/ 

Website - www.anotherway.au 

Join Book Club

https://www.anotherway.au/book-club 

The Kilimanjaro Experience - 2024 

https://mountainsandmarathons.world/thekilimanjaroexperience-matt/ 

Shelley Oak is a mother, a somatic ceremonialist, a facilitator of sacred spaces such as women's circles, retreats, and workshops that support people to connect to their bodies, truths, gifts and to live in their fullest expression and purpose. 

She is a coach, a witch of many sorts, the owner of a holistic ritual product brand called Dark Mother, she is a yoni steaming specialist, and a badass birth doula. With fiery passion in emotional and spiritual wellness, ancient women’s work, nervous system regulation, somatics and cultivating intimacy as a mode of healing. 

Shelley’s mission is to build a heart-lead, deeply connected community of raw and regulated souls. Shelley’s flavour is all about bringing play, presence, and pleasure to all of her work and believes that is the key to integration and long lasting transformation. 

Shelley supports her growing community to expand their range of embodied expression while also having a trauma informed, ritualistic and mega fun approach to doing the work. 

On this podcast we talk about: 

Shelley Oak

IG - https://www.instagram.com/shelley.oak/ 

Shelley Oak - https://www.shelleyoak.com.au/ 

Dark Mother - https://darkmother.com.au/ 

Matt Defina

IG - https://www.instagram.com/mattdefina_/ 

LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewdefina/ 

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/matt.defina/ 

Another Way

IG - https://www.instagram.com/anotherway.au/ 

Website - www.anotherway.au 

Join Book Club! 

https://www.anotherway.au/book-club 

The Kilimanjaro Experience - 2024 

https://mountainsandmarathons.world/thekilimanjaroexperience-matt/ 

Jordyn's professional journey began in the corporate world, where she spent a decade climbing the corporate ladder as a senior leader coaching high-performing teams and leaders. In 2019, she confronted a profound truth – her time in Corporate America had an expiration date. A desire for a career that seamlessly blended her skills and passions took root.

Jordyn is now fulfilling that desire as a Leadership Coach for Mountains and Marathons, where she leads transformational leadership development programs and adventurous retreats that guide leaders to live in alignment with deeper fulfillment and inner peace. 

Jordyn has a BA in Philosophy and is a certified Mindset Coach trained in trauma-informed somatic techniques and is now also a certified Yoga Teacher and Vocal Sound Healing Therapist. As a champion for seeing the potential and possibility in others, Jordyn supports her clients to live from their deepest truth and create their lives to be an expression of that.  

Beyond her passion for coaching, Jordyn is a full-time, globe-trotting adventure and nature enthusiast. She has travelled to 41 countries, summited Mount Kilimanjaro three times, trekked through the Himalayas to Everest Base Camp, backpacked the Grand Canyon and the W-Trek in Patagonia, scaled multiple 14,000+ ft peaks worldwide, completed the Mont Blanc Marathon in France, and is always seeking ways to expand her comfort zone in new and meaningful ways. 

She is excited to invite you to join the next leadership development experience, and the most profound way to visit the Roof of Africa: THE KILIMANJARO EXPERIENCE 2024. 

This episode:

On this episode we cover:

• How Jordyn achieved early success in Sales
• How she got to the point of choosing to leave Corporate
• How she created the life she now leads, travelling the world as a leadership coach and entrepeneur

Jordyn Davis

IG - https://www.instagram.com/jordynndavis/ 

LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordynndavis/

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/jordynnicoledavis 

Matt Defina

IG - https://www.instagram.com/mattdefina_/ 

LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewdefina/ 

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/matt.defina/ 

Another Way

IG - https://www.instagram.com/anotherway.au/ 

Website - www.anotherway.au 

The Kilimanjaro Experience - 2024 

https://mountainsandmarathons.world/thekilimanjaroexperience-matt/

Happy New Year! For this first episode of the year, I’m jumping behind the microphone myself again - couldn’t help it. So, of course, I chose to bite off a chunky topic - how do you truly choose yourself? It’s a big topic, but a worthy one to tackle in my opinion and one that I’ve spent the last 6-24 months in particular, deeply understanding. 

I really hope that 2024 is going to be your best year yet (and genuinely believe that the cosmic flow of things has shifted - I think we’re in for a good one).

So, enjoy this first episode of the year, and next week we will back to regular programming with interviews with inspiring leaders, entrepreneurs and change-makers that have found another way. 

Overview

In this episode, I cover: 

• Why it’s so challenging to choose yourself 

• What it even means to choose yourself 

• Share a poem I wrote last year on the topic (called Is it time yet?) 

• Share 7 steps to truly choosing yourself 

Poem: Is it time yet? 

You can access a printable version here

7 steps to truly choosing yourself

1. What’s the current way? 

2. What’s the impact? 

3. Cost of Inaction: if you keep going this way, what’s your life going to look like in 1, 2, 5, 10 years time? 

4. What’s another way? 

5. What are the benefits? 

6. Payoff of action: if you going this way, what are the potential gains? 

7. What now? 

Links

• Website: www.anotherway.au

• Join our Book Club: https://www.anotherway.au/book-club 

• Join our Monthly Moon Circle: https://www.anotherway.au/monthly-moon-circle 

• Book a discovery call with me: https://anotherway.as.me/free-coaching-call

For the final episode of 2023, I've decided to record my first solo episode, specifically focused on how to powerfully close out 2023. So often, we can just move on to what's next, but it's so important that we actually process what we've experienced. Both on a micro and a macro level.

So, in this episode, I'll cover the following:

1. Why it's important to close out the year
2. How to embrace change and evolution in life
3. What happened in my year and how I navigated it
4. A series of reflection questions for you to use in closing out your year

Reflection Questions

1. What actually happened this year? What events did you actually move through? What were your highlights? Lowlights? Get out a big page, and draw out the timeline of your year 
2. What were the inflexion points in your year? What events, big or small, really became the crux points in your year? 
3. What self-realisations did you have across the year? What did you learn about yourself and the world? 
4. What do you want to honour and acknowledge yourself for this year? What strength of character or spirit did you bring or create into your life and the lives of those around you, that only you could do?
5. If this year was a chapter in the book of you, what would you call it? What’s the title of it? 
6. Now, write a letter to yourself at the start of 2023. If you could go back in time, and speak to yourself at the beginning of the year, what would you say? Allow this letter to be one of gratitude, acceptance and encouragement.

How Surely Gravities Law - Rilke 

How surely gravity's law,

strong as an ocean current,

takes hold of the smallest thing

and pulls it toward the heart of the world.

Each thing

each stone, blossom, child

is held in place.

Only we, in our arrogance,

push out beyond what we each belong to

for some empty freedom.

If we surrendered

to earth's intelligence

we could rise up rooted, like trees.

Instead we entangle ourselves

in knots of our own making

and struggle, lonely and confused.

So like children, we begin again

to learn from the things,

because they are in God's heart;

they have never left him.

This is what the things can teach us:

to fall,

patiently to trust our heaviness.

Even a bird has to do that

before he can fly.”

On the 3rd episode of the podcast, I'm joined by another good friend and now my personal tattoo artist, Vondove. We were lucky enough to record this episode just a week after Von tattooed my chest in her studio, taking a total of 11 hours - it was a big day.

Von is an artist, ceremonial tattooist, and soul-led biz & brand development coach. She is the creator of Vondove - her business dedicated to the transformation of humanity through art, marking rites of passage, and supporting the expansion of Soul-ful businesses around the world.

On this episode we talk about: 

• How Von turned her art into a successful business

• What ceremonial tattooing even is 

• The valuable lessons Von has learned along the way

If you're interested in working with Von, you can reach out to her via Instagram!

Connect with Von

Website - www.vondove.com

IG - @vondove

Connect with me

Website - www.anotherway.au

IG - @anotherway.au

IG - @mattyd203

Overview

I'm joined by one of my coaches, mates and just an all round incredible man, Ben Harris - aka - The Fear Guy!

Ben has been on an incredible journey and transformed his life in the last 4 years to become a seriously warm, empathetic and effective coach when it comes to alchemising fear.

Rooted in love and the superpower of belief in himself and others, Ben is a testament of what possibilities arise when you love fear and trust your inner knowing. His strong sense of self continues to lead him on an ever-present journey of life.

Ben’s path has pivoted many times, in many directions. These broad experiences have created a platform to understand and support clients in overcoming their deepest fears as they return home to themselves.

This is a great episode if you're stuck in a rut or a pattern that you're trying to break free from. Together we cover:

• Why people are driven by fear in their lives
• How to step out of living from fear
• In a first, Ben also guides me through his process so you can see how it actually works

Ben is always releasing new programs and also has a great evergreen program he runs, Fear Alchemy. You can find it all on his website below.

Links

Ben Harris IG - https://www.instagram.com/the.fear.guy/?hl=en

Ben Harris Website - https://www.feeling-free.com/

Matt Defina IG - https://www.instagram.com/mattyd203/?hl=en

Another Way IG - https://www.instagram.com/anotherway.au/

Another Way Website - https://www.anotherway.au/

Free Coaching Calls

Interested in knowing what it's like to work with me? I'm now offering free coaching calls to those interested - you can book in via my IG above.

Coaching Giveaway for 2024

I'm also offering a 1 month of free coaching to kickstart 2024 for 1 motivated individual (valued at $1500). You'll get 4 x 60min free coaching calls with me, daily support from me via Telegram and personalised worksheets and resources.

To enter, simply DM me on IG with your highest vision for 2024 and I'll be picking a winner next week.

Overview

I'm joined by leadership coach, ultra-endurance athlete and good mate, Jamin Heppell.

Jamin is the co-founder and leadership coach of Mountains and Marathons and co-creator of the ALIGN Leadership program. Jamin has coached the founders of multi-million dollar start-ups, leaders in real-estate, leaders in network marketing companies, corporate executives directors, ex-military, and many more.

Besides his passion and gift as a coach, Jamin has ran a marathon in 6 continents, summited Mount Kilimanjaro 8 times, completed 3 ultramarathons (one of which raising $10,000 for a Balinese charity during COVID) and is in the Guinness Book of World Records for being a participant in the world’s highest obstacle course race on Mount Kilimanjaro in September 2021.

We were lucky enough to record this episode while in Tanzania, having just climbed Mt Kilimanjaro together! This is such a broad and expansive conversation, where we cover: 

• How it took Jamin to burnout to finally change his life 

• How to make powerful choices in your life

• Why people are afraid of living aligned 

• How Jamin consciously uncoupled with his partner in Bali during COVID

Come climb Mount Kilimanjaro with us in 2024

Want come climb Mt Kilimanjaro with Jamin and I in 2024? Jump on the link below and get in touch with me if you're interested. Save $500 USD if you book before 31st Dec, 2023.

https://mountainsandmarathons.world/thekilimanjaroexperience-matt/

Mountains and Marathons

⁠https://mountainsandmarathons.world/⁠ 

Jamin’s Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/jaminheppell/ 

Another Way's Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/anotherway.au/

Matt's Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/mattyd203/

Please note

While the acknowledgment of country references the Australian indigenous people, this episode was recorded in Tanzania, and by virtue of this, I also acknowledge the indigenous people of the beautiful country that is Tanzania.