Charlie Kulas: Musical Pilot, UpN Down   Charlie Kulas published Musical Pilot, an educational game, through Atari Program Exchange. Musical Pilot first appeared in the fall 1983 APX catalog, where it was awarded third prize in the Learning category. He later worked at McT (AKA Microcomputer Technologies), a company that was contracted to program games by Sega. There he programmed the game UpN Down for the Atari 8-bit computers.   This interview took place on April 20, 2018.   Musical Pilot in the fall 1983 APX catalog: https://archive.org/stream/APXCatalogFall1983/APX_Catalog_Fall_1983#page/n21/mode/1up/   List of Kulas' software at AtariMania: http://www.atarimania.com/list_games_atari-400-800-xl-xe-kulas-charlie_team_756_8_G.html   Buck Rogers source code: https://archive.org/details/BuckRogers_source   Up N Down source code: https://archive.org/details/UpNDown_source   McT at gdri: http://gdri.smspower.org/wiki/index.php/McT   How to Build a Working Digital Computer Out of Paperclips: https://www.evilmadscientist.com/2013/paperclip/